Diane's hair is red like the rooms curtains with black and white nails like the rooms floor. The events that happened at the Sheriffs Office seem off.. It's almost like the super-imposed face of Cooper that sits on top of the screen is the real one. He is witnessing this dream. Yet another attempt he makes to change things. And he fails again..but does the scream wake him up? Does that somehow break the loop?
Did Cooper in the end understand what it is that needs to happen in order to restore balance? Does he need to save himself before he proceeds to even think about saving someone else? I believe he has lost the battle in the waiting room with his shadow self a long time ago.. 25 years to be exact.
Stuck in the carousel of time. Each failed attempt potentially stripping away parts of him.
Let me know what you think!
I think something similiar with that face. But not that all the season is a dream. I'm still looking what fit for that face. He definitely isn't in red room. Behind him is black. Maybe true Black Lodge ? He have light aura. That face can just started from a point in this season. We have some strange moments like falling down, enter electrical socket, and Naido. This face start to be show when he look at Naido. Something with her.
Everyone has their theory but this one works the best for me.
I don't say it's THE answer, i'm only find it the best at this moment..
This is one of the better theories I've heard.
"Is this the story of the little girl who lived down the lane? IS IT?"
Some day, hopefully, in some iteration of the pattern Cooper will have gained the wisdom to answer, "No, it's not. It's MY story." For now it seems, he keeps answering, "Yes. I need to save her."
Thanks for sharing that video. It's a well thought explanation. Two things bothered me. He said the red room scenes in the early part of 18 were basically the same as in 2, but Laura wasn't present in 18. Maybe that doesn't make a difference. Edit: I can't go watch 18 right now. In terms of basically being the same as the one in 2, maybe the red room scene takes place right after Laura gets sucked away, which would tie in with her getting sucked away in the woods.
He also says the mission was to save Laura. That was never stated anywhere that I remember. The plan Cole mentioned was to find Judy. When Jeffries finds the time spot for Cooper to go back in he doesn't say anything about Laura. He says it's the way to find Judy.
Maybe that doesn't alter the overall theory. The ending does make it look as if Cooper never left the lodge and having everything be Cooper's dream/vision/bardo journey is a great way to explain every inconsistency/undeveloped plot lines in the overall story. That's why I kind of fight it. It's a profound concept but in a pure storytelling context, it seems to be the easy way out. But that isn't really any kind of argument against writing the story that way I suppose.
By the way, if anyone's interested in more bardos, there's a recent novel by George Saunders entitled Lincoln in the Bardo that's quite good IMO.
Thanks for sharing that video. It's a well thought explanation. Two things bothered me. He said the red room scenes in the early part of 18 were basically the same as in 2, but Laura wasn't present in 18. Maybe that doesn't make a difference. Edit: I can't go watch 18 right now. In terms of basically being the same as the one in 2, maybe the red room scene takes place right after Laura gets sucked away, which would tie in with her getting sucked away in the woods.
He also says the mission was to save Laura. That was never stated anywhere that I remember. The plan Cole mentioned was to find Judy. When Jeffries finds the time spot for Cooper to go back in he doesn't say anything about Laura. He says it's the way to find Judy.
Maybe that doesn't alter the overall theory. The ending does make it look as if Cooper never left the lodge and having everything be Cooper's dream/vision/bardo journey is a great way to explain every inconsistency/undeveloped plot lines in the overall story. That's why I kind of fight it. It's a profound concept but in a pure storytelling context, it seems to be the easy way out. But that isn't really any kind of argument against writing the story that way I suppose.
By the way, if anyone's interested in more bardos, there's a recent novel by George Saunders entitled Lincoln in the Bardo that's quite good IMO.
Thanks for the tip KingDaddieDog, i will look for the novel 🙂
I think Jeffries only mentioned Judy because that was the main goal of the FBI team. Cooper changed the Laura timeline and she wasn't in the lodge anymore so when he is dreaming that fits. Maybe there are some things that don't match with the theory but i'm gonna watch the serie again to see if my favorite theorie will hold on 😉
See what you're saying now it's really interesting.
What if Coop disobeyed the plan of finding and destroying Judy in a desperate attempt to try and save Laura? We know he already tried something that failed with the whole Annie situation.
If all we see is his dream. He shouldn't see Jumping Man. Only Jeffries saw that meeting. It's not part of TP season 1 or 2.
Next thing, look carefully at ep18 when his face appear. It is important. Because there is reaction exactly same as big coop background. Why would Cooper sitting in a chair from season 2 react to Naido ? I listened this film on YouTube and there is theory of saving Laura. Loop of saving Laura. WTF with Naido then ? For Cooper from season 2 someone like this doesn't exist, it should be same random like Mitchum brothers or Jeney-E etc. And here is reaction that makes dreaming Cooper speak...
See what you're saying now it's really interesting.
What if Coop disobeyed the plan of finding and destroying Judy in a desperate attempt to try and save Laura? We know he already tried something that failed with the whole Annie situation.
It depends on whose plan we're talking about.
Coop, Briggs and Cole seem to have had a plan to find and destroy (or at least contain) Judy.
The Fireman seems to have had a plan to rescue Laura Palmer.
I say this because of the Fireman's prescience in knowing that the 'save-Laura-from-her-death-and-take-her-home' plan was doomed to fail. He had to have known it would, otherwise he wouldn't have remarked to Cooper about the 403/Richard and Linda plan.
I dunno. It's all a mess. lol
If all we see is his dream. He shouldn't see Jumping Man. Only Jeffries saw that meeting. It's not part of TP season 1 or 2.
Next thing, look carefully at ep18 when his face appear. It is important. Because there is reaction exactly same as big coop background. Why would Cooper sitting in a chair from season 2 react to Naido ? I listened this film on YouTube and there is theory of saving Laura. Loop of saving Laura. WTF with Naido then ? For Cooper from season 2 someone like this doesn't exist, it should be same random like Mitchum brothers or Jeney-E etc. And here is reaction that makes dreaming Cooper speak...
Why not? What sence does it make that the Mitchum brothers and the 3 girls go with Cooper go to twin peaks and bring sandwitches. They do nothing, say almost nothing and he leaves them in the policestation? Naido turns into Diana and no one is surprised? A drunk man in prison no one carres about while he's bleeding? Looks more than a dream to me than reality 😉
See what you're saying now it's really interesting.
What if Coop disobeyed the plan of finding and destroying Judy in a desperate attempt to try and save Laura? We know he already tried something that failed with the whole Annie situation.
Maybe that's the clou to get out, who knows..
Nah, I don't buy all the dream/delusion/alternate theories.
I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
If all we see is his dream. He shouldn't see Jumping Man. Only Jeffries saw that meeting. It's not part of TP season 1 or 2.
Next thing, look carefully at ep18 when his face appear. It is important. Because there is reaction exactly same as big coop background. Why would Cooper sitting in a chair from season 2 react to Naido ? I listened this film on YouTube and there is theory of saving Laura. Loop of saving Laura. WTF with Naido then ? For Cooper from season 2 someone like this doesn't exist, it should be same random like Mitchum brothers or Jeney-E etc. And here is reaction that makes dreaming Cooper speak...
Why not? What sence does it make that the Mitchum brothers and the 3 girls go with Cooper go to twin peaks and bring sandwitches. They do nothing, say almost nothing and he leaves them in the policestation? Naido turns into Diana and no one is surprised? A drunk man in prison no one carres about while he's bleeding? Looks more than a dream to me than reality 😉
No, no and no. No 🙂 We don't speak now about if it is a dream. I will quote myself:
I think something similiar with that face. But not that all the season is a dream. I'm still looking what fit for that face. He definitely isn't in red room. Behind him is black. Maybe true Black Lodge ? He have light aura. That face can just started from a point in this season. We have some strange moments like falling down, enter electrical socket, and Naido. This face start to be show when he look at Naido. Something with her.
You don't answer what I wrote. I think it's a dream but not in season 2 chair. And I am looking for clues why not. What you have wrote as an answer doesn't undermine theory that dreamer is somewhere else.
Nah, I don't buy all the dream/delusion/alternate theories.
I believe what we saw is what happened, in the base level Twin Peaks reality. Someone or something altered reality itself when Cooper attempted to save Laura. The evidence that they had been doing this for some time is scattered throughout the entire series 3 episodes.
Maybe it was a ripple effect from Cooper's attempt to save Laura, maybe it was Judy, trying to make things go her way, but what we saw is what really happened.
Can you elaborate on the "evidence?"
Am not challenging you. Quite the contrary. I am, much like Kyle MacLachlan, still trying to process what happened, so any clues that I've missed would be greatly appreciated!
The dream theory isn't a theory. Cooper explicitly says it: "We live inside a dream," then the scene fades away and a new scene appears, just like often happens in dreams. That doesn't make anything unreal, it just sets the location of that reality in someone's mind. Thoughts/dreams create reality.
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