I hate to say it, but the Fireman is one element of the story giving me issues. This dude was omnipresent enough to foresee what was going to happen, make several long-term, complicated plans, and the foresight to predict where we were going. If this is your assessment of the situation as well, it does make it hard to support many of the theories out there.
I hate to say it, but the Fireman is one element of the story giving me issues. This dude was omnipresent enough to foresee what was going to happen, make several long-term, complicated plans, and the foresight to predict where we were going. If this is your assessment of the situation as well, it does make it hard to support many of the theories out there.
One element? Does that mean you don't have many elements giving you issues or that you DO have many elements giving you issues?
My elements have mostly burned out.
My elements have mostly burned out.
That's why those big bell thingies have insulators on the top. They're also good for helping Jeffries boil his water for the tea.
Same here. Well there are a couple of options we have about him.
1: He is a white lodge entity, and he, and Dido ends up getting locked in the prison building int he purple world. In result, their omnipotency is diminished. So is their sight, and interference with the earth. Before, he could travel between realms, to red room, and earth. Now he always resides in that grim dimension. Doesn't know the whole situation at hand.
2: He is neutral, and has a different agenda beyond human comprehension, and that could see humans expendable if the situation demands so.
If he told Cooper that Sarah is inhabited by the dark entity, Cooper wouldn't end up getting lost, wouldn't bring Laura to her house
One things that sure is, the purple world is not the white lodge. It feels like a prison, has a building that looks like a prison, and he can't move.
I have been wondering if the Giant and the Fireman are even the same entity. They are portrayed by the same actor, yes, but when the Arm and the Giant tell Cooper they are "one and the same" it really made me start wondering whose side the Giant was actually on. Was he really helping Coop, or was he leading Coop down the path to his own defeat?
The Fireman definitely seems to be an opposing force to BOB/Judy, but I am not totally convinced that he and the Giant are "one and the same".
Remember when Cooper kissed Annie, the Giant appeared in panic as if Coop shouldn't be doing it. He was helping him.
He seem to be focused on Bob, but doesn't know fully, or want to do anything about Judy at all.
He appears as guiding Cooper, but helps so little and then more terrible stuff happens. Before, and now. He acts as a catalyst for disaster. His only real help was solving the murder case, and that's it.
Creating Laura as an antithesis against Bob becomes such a massive failure you begin questioning his power and/or allegiance.
And finally, he guides Cooper to bring Laura back to her mother (now inhabited by a dark entity), which is another disaster. If there was her mother, it would've obliterated Laura after Cooper left the scene. Sarah not being there doesn't change anything. They still end up getting lost.
Do we know that Laura was a massive failure? I never really understood what her role was other than to counteract Bob (as a response to Mother's action). You can counteract many different ways, directly and indirectly.
There is one theory where Giant/Fireman isn't any problem. Dreamer theory. I will quote myself:
If you follow Black Lodge dreamer it is simple answer. This "dream" isn't only his own. In this theory he is doing a trial. A trial about Hawk was talking. What do you think trial mean ? That someone just dreaming like in sleeping state ? So where is there any trial ? If we follow this, trial must mean that Black Lodge entities place him in their created world, and he must past trial there. It's not about he can dream about anything he want to. They placed him in modern world
I you look at him as lodge entity who is playing a role in Cooper trial...you won't see there any no sense.
My thoughts are two:
1) He is playing a fiction role in a dream to show Cooper fiction
2) He is playing role about things that really happened.
So I mean nuclear test is really connected to Judy activity or it only created for trial purpose.
All this scenes in ep8 looks like a theatre. There is something else that show us how ridiculus it is. In ep8 Fireman can send someone to a PLANET ! So in ep17 he could throw Bob everywhere like Mars of Venus, or burn him into Sun. We see, he have a full control about Bob. He locked him in cage. What's about this big head of Briggs ? Well, Coop know that Briggs told him about White Lodge. So they placed him there to be credible about this place.
My elements have mostly burned out.
These elements
Or these elements
We don't know just what the Giant intended Cooper to do. But I doubt Cooper was taking "Laura" to the Palmer house for Old Home Week.
In Season 2, the Giant talks to Cooper, who is lying on the floor with a bullet wound. Cooper asks the Giant where he comes from, and the Giant replies that the question is " where has Cooper has gone" . Apparently Cooper wasn't really where he appeared to be, even back then. The Giant told Cooper "we want to help you." He wasn't referring to the fact that Cooper needed an ambulance at the moment. Although it was not obvious to us at the time, Cooper was in need of some other-worldly assistance from the beginning. For reasons known to the Giant, and probably not just reasons relating to Laura Palmer.
I thought "one and the same" just indicated the old waiter as a manifestation of the Giant. That is what the arm meant.
I don't get the Giant/Fireman either. But I am sure they are one and the same, and a trustworthy if opaque character.
I mentioned before the Fireman may be constrained by rules, even if they are of his own making. A little explanation:
It's possible he is the Supreme Creator - God, if you prefer - and, although by definition, omnipotent, is bound to follow certain rules in the universe, in order to avoid a logical paradox, or any other violation of the rules he set for the universe. That would mean his actions are constrained to giving things a little help here and there but no direct intervention. Even if he isn't God, he may have restrictions on how he can act; anything too direct and/or overt could result in a huge catastrophe. So, he treads carefully.
His oblique way of speaking may be a fault of our perceptions; we're not wired up to understand the concepts he deals in and he, in turn cannot scale down his intellect to the level we operate. Like a human trying to talk to an ant, multiplied by infinity.
So, yes, I think he's basically a benign entity but also a victim of his own powers.
I mentioned before the Fireman may be constrained by rules, even if they are of his own making. A little explanation:
It's possible he is the Supreme Creator - God, if you prefer - and, although by definition, omnipotent, is bound to follow certain rules in the universe, in order to avoid a logical paradox, or any other violation of the rules he set for the universe. That would mean his actions are constrained to giving things a little help here and there but no direct intervention. Even if he isn't God, he may have restrictions on how he can act; anything too direct and/or overt could result in a huge catastrophe. So, he treads carefully.
His oblique way of speaking may be a fault of our perceptions; we're not wired up to understand the concepts he deals in and he, in turn cannot scale down his intellect to the level we operate. Like a human trying to talk to an ant, multiplied by infinity.
So, yes, I think he's basically a benign entity but also a victim of his own powers.
Yes, the Giant said on a couple of occasions that he could not spell it all out. He implied, like the log lady, that the truth would present itself (I so wish it had!).
He only spoke transparently when he was talking about something simple, like the green-glove mission. But even then, Freddie didn't know exactly how his role would play out until "the time presented itself."
Maybe Cooper did what the Giant expected and we just can't see it yet. I have read all these theories. Hands remain thrown up in the air.
I mentioned before the Fireman may be constrained by rules, even if they are of his own making. A little explanation:
It's possible he is the Supreme Creator - God, if you prefer - and, although by definition, omnipotent, is bound to follow certain rules in the universe, in order to avoid a logical paradox, or any other violation of the rules he set for the universe. That would mean his actions are constrained to giving things a little help here and there but no direct intervention. Even if he isn't God, he may have restrictions on how he can act; anything too direct and/or overt could result in a huge catastrophe. So, he treads carefully.
His oblique way of speaking may be a fault of our perceptions; we're not wired up to understand the concepts he deals in and he, in turn cannot scale down his intellect to the level we operate. Like a human trying to talk to an ant, multiplied by infinity.
So, yes, I think he's basically a benign entity but also a victim of his own powers.
Yes, the Giant said on a couple of occasions that he could not spell it all out. He implied, like the log lady, that the truth would present itself (I so wish it had!).
He only spoke transparently when he was talking about something simple, like the green-glove mission. But even then, Freddie didn't know exactly how his role would play out until "the time presented itself."
Maybe Cooper did what the Giant expected and we just can't see it yet. I have read all these theories. Hands remain thrown up in the air.
Me and thee both, lass.
I thought "one and the same" just indicated the old waiter as a manifestation of the Giant. That is what the arm meant.
I think you leave some parts of oryginal story to fit your theory. It is not the Arm words that see waiter and Giant then comment. That's Giant words when he sit down next to Little Man. But there is something most important. We have painting from owl cave that show us Little Man and the Giant together. This is that point that cannot be just forgotten to fit new theories. We have owl cave, with Black Lodge symbol, and with map to get there and on this map is Little Man with Giant together.
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