That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
Whole heartedly agree ... after 25 years and fighting to have 18 hours to tell a story, I would hope he would provide some sort of closure and not leave us overtly hanging like the S2 finale.
Actually, if you look at ep 18 as just another episode, isn't it at least as interesting as any of the others? Remember Lynch deals in dream-worlds; dreams have no resolution. It's frustrating, sure, but I can't see Lynch wrapping anything up nice and tidy. Wouldn't be Lynch!
That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
Whole heartedly agree ... after 25 years and fighting to have 18 hours to tell a story, I would hope he would provide some sort of closure and not leave us overtly hanging like the S2 finale.
I would aver that you got that, about 40 minutes into part 17. His eyes are supreimposed over the nice ending that everyone gets, but that, in this moment, he knows he can't have.
I am fine with where this leaves us, as I was where s2 left us. Wondering.
I think 17 was your true finale.... 18? A look at an alternate reality?
That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
QFT!
they should have ended TP when Leland Palmer got arrested and died. To me, everything after that (season 2 and the return) was all down hill. The Return had a few cool moments put the plot was SOOOOOo diluted with stuff that really made no sense. Believe me, I get it: it's art and up for interpretation. But what does he expect, for there to be a bachelor's degree in trying to understand? And the end: "what year is this"? I'm sorry. I think the original season one was a masterpiece. This was just... I don't really know what it was. Performance art perhaps.
Actually, if you look at ep 18 as just another episode, isn't it at least as interesting as any of the others? Remember Lynch deals in dream-worlds; dreams have no resolution. It's frustrating, sure, but I can't see Lynch wrapping anything up nice and tidy. Wouldn't be Lynch!
I read the argument a lot. To me, that argument makes Lynch sound unoriginal if all his works have similar themes. I don't follow his other works closely, but I'd rather be surprised by what someone creates instead of being able to say .."oh that's like what he did in Mulholland Drive" or "Inland empire"
I had hoped for something a little more upbeat than Laura/Carrie screaming and the horror house shot.
But this is typical of Lynch. It was my reaction to Eraserhead. To Mulholland Drive. Even to Blue Velvet. To the end of season 2. Then you start having interesting thoughts and conversations that expand the way you see the world. That's why he's still good even when he's awful (or feels awful).
Not trying to fangirl here--just observing the pattern in myself and many others.
Can we stop comparing this finale to the season 2 finale? The only similarity this has to season 2's finale is that there's no closure.
Season 2's finale is one of the strongest episodes of season 1-2. Episode 18 of the return is one of the most disappointing episodes in the season.
That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
QFT!
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That was the biggest issue I had with Part 18...it wasn't a "finale" at all. I guess I hoped for too much and/or bought into the hype, but I was truly expecting a finale. I wasn't expecting a nicely wrapped package with a bow, or anything remotely close to that, but I was expecting something comprehensible.
And, No, I'm not a Lynch hater, it's not that I don't "get" Twin Peaks or any of that false narrative that spews out on social media by those who are "superior" with their artistic interpretations. *eye roll*
Here's my point, all throughout the series we got old and new questions answered, past relationships reconciled/explained, storylines evolved/continued, yet in the end we were left with Episode 18, which wasn't a finale, an ending, or even anything remotely close to closure. With no guarantee that we'll ever have this experience again, I am disappointed that this was presented as the "we're back together and we can finish it the right way this time".
Please pardon my pessimistic take, I'm writing this post with a broken heart.
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Feel free to pop into this thread.
welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/an-attempt-to-understand-the-ending/
Maybe you can chime in with some insight on what you got from the ending.
I am sort of on both sides of the argument, but there's got to be some subtlety to the critique. Obviously no one needs a "tidy" conclusion "with a bow on it" as some have been saying, but if we are going by the episode, then it just seems like Agent Cooper failed. Even though Laura's body disappeared from the beach, she wasn't able to return home and so the imbalance they were trying to correct - or what have you - is going to continue. Maybe this is where we make the connection to real life and say, it's up to US to bring Laura home in actuality. If it's all symbolic of something, maybe that's true. But on the other hand, Lynch isn't above critique. There could have been some kind of closure, and there wasn't. That's not necessarily a good thing.
Actually, if you look at ep 18 as just another episode, isn't it at least as interesting as any of the others? Remember Lynch deals in dream-worlds; dreams have no resolution. It's frustrating, sure, but I can't see Lynch wrapping anything up nice and tidy. Wouldn't be Lynch!
I read the argument a lot. To me, that argument makes Lynch sound unoriginal if all his works have similar themes. I don't follow his other works closely, but I'd rather be surprised by what someone creates instead of being able to say .."oh that's like what he did in Mulholland Drive" or "Inland empire"
There are some people on the board who I think have studied contemporary art or might know more about his art career. There's a documentary called The Art Life about Lynch as an artist I have not seen, but I think I will check it out.
I think he trying to accomplish something with TV as an art form that is similar to the kinds of deconstructive art techniques we see in contemporary art. He is obviously very interested in deconstructive narrative and is probably a fan of magical realism. That doesn't mean that he's particularly successful at it or not--I'm not going to judge something I just saw because my thoughts on it are already shifting a bit.
The Phillip Jeffries scene was a classic bit of this--so surrealistic and abstract.
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