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(@powerleftist)
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I'm done with pretending Lynch cares about the plot. He just thought it would be cool to end with a scream, so she screams. For what reason? Who cares!

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 4:08 am
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Posted by: Jessica Paige Niedbalski

Plus, you can see The Experiment in one of the Palmer house windows.

Sorry but no. That's quite a leap 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 4:21 am
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Posted by: Darren Burdock-Latter
Posted by: Jessica Paige Niedbalski

Plus, you can see The Experiment in one of the Palmer house windows.

Sorry but no. That's quite a leap 

That seems to be an upstairs bedroom window, so it must be Laura's or Sarahs....we know when the 'mother' vomited that its arms were shown to 'bend back'.....  Also may serve as an explanation as to why Laura could not meet with the fireman, but went to Odessa and tried to deny the entire Twin Peaks tragedy.  Since both her and Cooper were both just trying to erase the entire affair and go back to rest in some kind of 'pre Twin Peaks' life, they both now have to face it.   Now that Laura is coming to realize what has happened, she began to scream, the house went black, and this image appeared, she may now be facing up to what happened to her, what she was involved in....

We know that Sarah used that power(extreme negativity, Judy, etc.) to kill a truck driver, then Cooper finally was forced to 'try and meet BOB' again after trying to avoid it.  I think it was Cooper calling Mr. C at the beginning looking for BOB, which is why he had to go to the coordinates 430 and that negativity became part of him in that motel scene(although changed from Mr. C's wildness), ended up facing up to it, that there are big problems here that have to be addressed, nature/world is not taking care of it, it is blind and stupid, and will make Cooper blind and stupid.   After what Jeffries told Cooper about Judy, the infinite etc., cannot avoid it, have to deal with it properly.  The Cooper using 'negativity' in Judy's diner by hitting those truck drivers, then taking Laura and himself back to the scene of the tragedy/trauma, no longer trying to hide from it,  but using it to his advantage in order to do justice to the situation, bring back the proper tragedy to it, give it all some dignity and passion, give a place from where we can view the infinite horror that took place in Twin Peaks, the negativity that was lacking in Agent Cooper that woke up in Vegas, Twin Peaks is not exactly 'seven heaven' or 'viva las vegas', neither is Odessa for Laura/Dougie. 

But still wondering what Laura was whispering to Cooper this time around in the red room that made him look so concerned during the final credits, maybe her complicity in that negativity that she was hiding from in Odessa?  Still would be a tragedy, and she would be able to get on the 'right side of it', as long as not letting it bubble under and go automatically like Mr. C...Its not exactly 'evil' here per se, these characters will need to be able to meet this situation at this level, since it is inscribed into the reaction to nature, which is split into vortex/void and thus the world cannot sustain dreams or justice but by default is blind and violent, like Odessa and Judy's diner, thus the 'sleep walking' of Twin Peaks, the avoiding of the negativity is what ends up being 'bad', slowly decaying, more violent, less standards, people suffering, etc.  It depends here what they ultimately do with it, negativity, become a common criminal engaging in excess without regard/law, etc., or taking it seriously because of the tragedy that unfolded because of it.  Negativity allows the perspective of the proper tragedy here, how the dreams based on what nature lacks, what you dream about when nature/world is negative, doesnt have it, thus there is an excess of dreams at the same time that is unavoidable, and these being ruined for the everyday life exploited by common criminals and their dreams(Jean Michel: they are all whores, etc), with no nature/world to clean up the mess, its all going down into sleepwalking; and now only Agent Cooper is onto it, maybe the blue rose task force, all that stands between civilization and barbarism, because he knows about the negative force now and that nature/world thus is by default blind and stupid to handle the situation(no factual changing of the world could ever resolve the infinite tragedy of Twin Peaks and its dreams, etc.), that negativity is infinite in nature and in people who dream, etc..nature does not have the freedom to use this force, it works on blind law, fact, etc., people have freedom, thinking, dreams to violate nature's violent and blind order (also making them responsible for how they use it, which could include tearing apart world and facts, go too far and irrational from the situation like Mr. C, where the force of negativity is then becoming back to nature, blind, etc., everything is what you want it, even if its not, everything the same, etc., world not connected to dreams also in this opposite excess, like Mr. C).  Therefore Cooper will be able to use the negativity even more effectively/violently, with the passion of knowing what is at stake, but not run wild like Mr. C, use it to return to the law/dreams, etc...

As Agent Cooper said, 'I hope to see you all again, but some things will change', we may have seen the last of the Cooper who came into Twin Peaks fresh and woke up in Vegas, at least in the sense identical to how he was back then in 1989 and how he woke up in Vegas, and rightly so.....

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 4:53 am
 FWWM
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People who're upset / lost / confused:
WE LIVE INSIDE A DREAM.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 5:31 am
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I'm not sure about The Experiment in the window. . . I'm thinking it was like her scream in FFWM/Episode 17 when she saw Cooper but we couldn't (yet)

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 10:01 am
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Posted by: Patrick Dunn
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What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was? 

Oh! That's interesting - I didn't take it that he was looking at something, I thought he was just suddenly struck with a realization.

That could be - but he takes several deliberate steps forward as he looks down, which made me think he noticed something.  What, I don't know.

I am quite sure he tries to feel the red curtain with his hand. He does the exact same gesture back at the end of season 2 when he enters the Black Lodge and also in season 3 when he exits it before meeting Diane. It seems the idea strikes him that he has been tricked (again?) and he is still in the Black Lodge (which is my guess): The dimension he is in and where Laura Palmer is a middle-aged house wife called Carrie Page is just a 'red curtain' of the Black Lodge and Richard and Linda are his and Dianes alter egos there. This has probably something to do with 'two birds (with) one stone', though I have no idea in which way.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 11:07 am
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Posted by: Álvaro Martínez Hernández

I'm done with pretending Lynch cares about the plot. He just thought it would be cool to end with a scream, so she screams. For what reason? Who cares!

Why watch the show if you come to this conclusion?????

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 11:17 am
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Posted by: Jessica Paige Niedbalski

Plus, you can see The Experiment in one of the Palmer house windows.

In addition: at 0:51:33 (on Sky Germany) there is clearlya sort sound of that vinyl scratch that can be heard from the gramophone at the White Lodge. A sound that seems to represent that something evil is going on (in the White Lodge?).  

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 11:22 am
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Posted by: Jim Lenton

Just before she screams there's a voice which sounds like it could be Leland shouting "Lauraaaaa".  I didn't notice it the first time, just watched the ending again for a refresh.

I rewatched again, and to me it's more like a Sarah screaming Lauuuuraaa, it made me think that Mrs. Tremond had kidnapped Sarah. 

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 12:57 pm
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The ending and the scream and what year is it all reminded me of the "starting position is the most comfortable" from the arm wrestling scene, the looping of the boxing match in the Sarah Palmer scene, also the infinity 8 from Jeffries and Part 8 of the Return.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:38 pm
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Sorry for the double post.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:38 pm
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Posted by: floatinghigherandhigher
Posted by: Jim Lenton

Just before she screams there's a voice which sounds like it could be Leland shouting "Lauraaaaa".  I didn't notice it the first time, just watched the ending again for a refresh.

I rewatched again, and to me it's more like a Sarah screaming Lauuuuraaa, it made me think that Mrs. Tremond had kidnapped Sarah. 

I feel like the Subtitles said it was Sarah. But I'd have to double check.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:42 pm
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No accident that part 8, the infinite symbol, contained the atomic bomb, mother sending Bob, fireman sending Laura, frog insect in mouth, etc.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 1:59 pm
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 There is no apparition that appears in the window. It's a background object (possibly something hanging on a clothes stand). It's there before they walk up to the house and it's there in the last shot.

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 2:54 pm
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Posted by: Jessica Paige Niedbalski

Plus, you can see The Experiment in one of the Palmer house windows.

Thanks for doing the screenshot - Amazing you caught a glimpse of this in the show. - It looks like a random, arbitrary reflection of god knows what to me. I guess this is when we're going up to the house in the finale - if not, could you let me know which scene?

 
Posted : 05/09/2017 3:30 pm
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