Hey all, another person here who's pretty confused about The Return overall. As a writer and composer, I can't help but feel a little bit that they brought in too many elements that were not resolved satisfactorily. I like the sense that in one way, every door that closes on TP seems to open another door in terms of new ideas or meaningful content. But it's my understanding that there's not going to be anymore seasons, so doesn't it kind of suck not to have any real closure on anything?
That said, I will say that Laura/Carrie's final scream left me with goosebumps. The ending was very dramatic, that sort of slow feeling around for meaning and bumping up against what seems like random information; and then this sudden, horrifying revelation, but one doesn't quite know what it is. The last thing I saw was my hair standing on end.
I don't really have any theories... I just wanted to say that the actress who plays Laura really knows how to scream!
It's like a chord progression that doesn't not resolve
Yeah, the trademark Laura Palmer scream by Sheryl Lee - major element in "Fire Walk With Me," the film that followed the original TV series.
In the first half of the finale, ep. 17, Cooper was leading Laura away from the rendezvous with Leo and Jacques which we know happened, as per the original series, and "Fire." It looked like he was succeeding - he was changing the timeline. But then she disappeared - he'd failed to change the future it seemed?
But in the second half, ep. 18, we see that he apparently Did change the timeline - Laura hasn't existed, but instead has been living the life of a woman named Carrie Page.
But at the end of the ep. 18, after Cooper and Page have gone up to the Palmer house, and apparently discovered that the Palmers never lived there - that trademark scream happens again after we hear someone call Laura in the distance. To me that meant that he hadn't been able to change the timeline after all - it was all collapsing back into the timeline as we've known it since ep. 1 of the original series.
Adam, meaning no offense, but " I can't help but feel a little bit that they brought in too many elements that were not resolved satisfactorily" - indicates you may not be too familiar with David Lynch's work. Things are never resolved in a conventional way. That's one of the maddening/fascinating things about what he does. Hate it or Love it - that's what he does.
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
Oh! That's interesting - I didn't take it that he was looking at something, I thought he was just suddenly struck with a realization.
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
Oh! That's interesting - I didn't take it that he was looking at something, I thought he was just suddenly struck with a realization.
That could be - but he takes several deliberate steps forward as he looks down, which made me think he noticed something. What, I don't know.
That could be - but he takes several deliberate steps forward as he looks down, which made me think he noticed something. What, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah that's interesting! - I thought all of that was lost in thought. I'll look again to see if I can get a different impression. I asked my wife, she also thought he was just suddenly struck with a thought and thinking. But, like with everything else - pretty impossible to nail down a definitive answer.
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
It seemed like he was feeling around like he did before they went through the 430 mark - like there was some kind of energy. It didn't seem questionable to me at the time - he felt something and then had a thought about time right before ...... the chillzz
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
It seemed like he was feeling around like he did before they went through the 430 mark - like there was some kind of energy. It didn't seem questionable to me at the time - he felt something and then had a thought about time right before ...... the chillzz
My interpretation is that the names Tremond and Chalfont suddenly rang a bell in Cooper's head.
I thought he may have asked what year it was because he remembered Mrs. Tremond, who had the same last name as the woman who owned the house, but was quite old back in 1989. She's the elderly woman who had the magic grandson -- and hated creamed corn.
He may have also remembered the name Chalfont from the trailer park when he asked Carl about the abandoned lot where the owl ring was found.
Sheryl Lee has the most terrifying scream I have ever heard on film.
The whole time Cooper was trying to get her to her mother's house I had this feeling that he was suddenly well out of his depth. Nothing seemed to be going to plan? We don't really know what the plan was but first he was separated from Diane and then Laura was "Carrie" and that took him by surprise.
My poor little brain is just fried. I'm going to be really curious to see what's in the Final Dossier, that might give some clues as to the direction this has just gone in.
One thing, for me anyway, is certain. They really did leave this open for more story. I know there may never be another season but I was concerned there wouldn't be much for them to work with if they had the opportunity.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR XD
Perhaps going to the house triggered Laura to remember what happened to her in another dimension or world. She had an initial reaction when Cooper mentioned that her mother's name is Sarah. Sounded like she remembered Sarah calling to her at the house.
Also worth mentioning that this iteration of Laura seemed to be on a path of trouble/self destruction as well, given the dead body in her living room.
What is it that Dale seems to notice on the pavement/curbside before asking Laura/Carrie what year it was?
It seemed like he was feeling around like he did before they went through the 430 mark - like there was some kind of energy. It didn't seem questionable to me at the time - he felt something and then had a thought about time right before ...... the chillzz
He also makes that same gesture as he's leaving the Red Room and entering Glastonbury Grove.
Just before she screams there's a voice which sounds like it could be Leland shouting "Lauraaaaa". I didn't notice it the first time, just watched the ending again for a refresh.
My interpretation is that the names Tremond and Chalfont suddenly rang a bell in Cooper's head.
I thought he may have asked what year it was because he remembered Mrs. Tremond, who had the same last name as the woman who owned the house, but was quite old back in 1989. She's the elderly woman who had the magic grandson -- and hated creamed corn.
He may have also remembered the name Chalfont from the trailer park when he asked Carl about the abandoned lot where the owl ring was found.
Coop didn't meet "Mrs. Tremond and her grandson" - Donna brought Coop there to meet them, and a woman answers whose name is Tremond, but her mother died 3 years ago, and she doesn't have any children. "the Tremonds" showed up for Donna to lead her to Harold.
"Chalfonts"/"Tremonds" are "one and the same." Coop was drawn to look at the space where their trailer was, it was where Chet Desmond found the ring.
Creamed corn in TP represents garmonbozia.
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