This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
I won't realistically have time to rewatch until Sunday. I'm hoping to develop an urge to do so by then. Not there yet.
Detective Fisher, I appreciate this thread more than all the others, and many have been very good. I don't get time to read more than 1/3 or 1/4 of what people are posting here (so much!), so this is valuable.
I read some yesterday, worked today and thought about it some, and now reading again. I do detect a kind of change in your affect in comparison to your otherwise healthy, ribald approach to posting (all the previous weeks). Not making a judgment. Just noticing a difference. This has had a strong effect on you.
Take deep breaths. 🙂
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
I won't realistically have time to rewatch until Sunday. I'm hoping to develop an urge to do so by then. Not there yet.
Detective Fisher, I appreciate this thread more than all the others, and many have been very good. I don't get time to read more than 1/3 or 1/4 of what people are posting here (so much!), so this is valuable.
I read some yesterday, worked today and thought about it some, and now reading again. I do detect a kind of change in your affect in comparison to your otherwise healthy, ribald approach to posting (all the previous weeks). Not making a judgment. Just noticing a difference. This has had a strong effect on you.
Take deep breaths. 🙂
Thank you for the kind words.
Frustration. Pure unadulterated frustration.
Frustration at the show for being so "bugfucked." (thank you Detective Sam)
Frustration as my self for being so dense and not understanding it. And mostly for my own failure to manage my expectations even though I really thought I had a handle on them.
*taking deep breaths*
I'll feel the anger if I find out there won't be more. I don't see how we could be expected to be finished with things like this.
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
I won't realistically have time to rewatch until Sunday. I'm hoping to develop an urge to do so by then. Not there yet.
Detective Fisher, I appreciate this thread more than all the others, and many have been very good. I don't get time to read more than 1/3 or 1/4 of what people are posting here (so much!), so this is valuable.
I read some yesterday, worked today and thought about it some, and now reading again. I do detect a kind of change in your affect in comparison to your otherwise healthy, ribald approach to posting (all the previous weeks). Not making a judgment. Just noticing a difference. This has had a strong effect on you.
Take deep breaths. 🙂
Thank you for the kind words.
Frustration. Pure unadulterated frustration.
Frustration at the show for being so "bugfucked." (thank you Detective Sam)
Frustration as my self for being so dense and not understanding it. And mostly for my own failure to manage my expectations even though I really thought I had a handle on them.
*taking deep breaths*
(Note to self: must incorporate "bugfucked" into converstaion.)
Well, you can try and sell that "dense" bullshit, but I'm not buying it. Managing one's expectations to satisfaction is a poor gamble when one is as invested as you are in a conundrum as gelatinous as TPTR is. Being human is about the only crime committed as I see it. And, inability to understand it is corollary to comparison with the set of viewers who do (presume to) understand it or, even more obscene, pontificate on their superiority of understanding. Nobody understands this. Kyle M. said so about himself. See? You're even with Cooper.
I also recommend Manhattans.
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
I won't realistically have time to rewatch until Sunday. I'm hoping to develop an urge to do so by then. Not there yet.
Detective Fisher, I appreciate this thread more than all the others, and many have been very good. I don't get time to read more than 1/3 or 1/4 of what people are posting here (so much!), so this is valuable.
I read some yesterday, worked today and thought about it some, and now reading again. I do detect a kind of change in your affect in comparison to your otherwise healthy, ribald approach to posting (all the previous weeks). Not making a judgment. Just noticing a difference. This has had a strong effect on you.
Take deep breaths. 🙂
Thank you for the kind words.
Frustration. Pure unadulterated frustration.
Frustration at the show for being so "bugfucked." (thank you Detective Sam)
Frustration as my self for being so dense and not understanding it. And mostly for my own failure to manage my expectations even though I really thought I had a handle on them.
*taking deep breaths*
(Note to self: must incorporate "bugfucked" into converstaion.)
Well, you can try and sell that "dense" bullshit, but I'm not buying it. Managing one's expectations to satisfaction is a poor gamble when one is as invested as you are in a conundrum as gelatinous as TPTR is. Being human is about the only crime committed as I see it. And, inability to understand it is corollary to comparison with the set of viewers who do (presume to) understand it or, even more obscene, pontificate on their superiority of understanding. Nobody understands this. Kyle M. said so about himself. See? You're even with Cooper.
I also recommend Manhattans.
Your words and Liquor are very helpful. 🙂
I forgot to add a very important detail to my Disney World journey.
Along the way, we meet many strange and wonderful (and some horrible) people. We get to know about them, we learn to care about them, we make them part of our lives. We think about these people during our looooooong long drives and we wonder how they are doing. We obsess over them because, well, what the hell else do we have to do on this incredibly long road trip.
When we finally make it to not Disney World, but the giant ball of twine or whatever it is, and out disappointment and sadness are sinking in and about to overwhelm us, Dad says, "Oh, by the way, I burned down every single town we visited and everyone in them is dead. Deal with it."
Is dad a sociopath who hates us?
Nobody said the stages/cycle of grief is a one time thing. I continue to move through it.
I've been thinking about this "it was a dream" business and found two things that have helped me cope with it.
First, the exact quote, "We live inside a dream." It's easy to fall into focusing on the "dream" part and despair: "It was all just a dream!" while forgetting the first two words: "We live." Perhaps the point isn't that Twin Peaks and all it's people we grew to love and/or hate were somehow fake, and some other place and time is more real. Perhaps the point is that all lives, all places, and all realities are a dream; they all exist in the mind and are only as real as they are believed. We live. AND we're inside a dream. That's ok.
Second, I call to mind the wise words of Dumbledore (JK Rowling): "Of course it's all happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" Twin Peaks (the place and people) was as real as any other part of the show. Being a dream doesn't need to make it less real.
These thoughts help me feel better about the finale.
This is my favorite conversation about the ending because there are no theories, just feelings. I haven't been able to rewatch either 17 or 18 yet due to work, and I was having terrible trouble even logging into the forum because "the form has expired - try again". No rewatch, no forum. Besides sounding like an episode title, I think I am in denial that the last 2 episodes even happened.
I haven't watched them purely out of denial. I just can't bring myself to do it yet.
I had less probs logging in today because of your suggestion about being inside a thread when you try to log on. 🙂
I won't realistically have time to rewatch until Sunday. I'm hoping to develop an urge to do so by then. Not there yet.
Detective Fisher, I appreciate this thread more than all the others, and many have been very good. I don't get time to read more than 1/3 or 1/4 of what people are posting here (so much!), so this is valuable.
I read some yesterday, worked today and thought about it some, and now reading again. I do detect a kind of change in your affect in comparison to your otherwise healthy, ribald approach to posting (all the previous weeks). Not making a judgment. Just noticing a difference. This has had a strong effect on you.
Take deep breaths. 🙂
Thank you for the kind words.
Frustration. Pure unadulterated frustration.
Frustration at the show for being so "bugfucked." (thank you Detective Sam)
Frustration as my self for being so dense and not understanding it. And mostly for my own failure to manage my expectations even though I really thought I had a handle on them.
*taking deep breaths*
(Note to self: must incorporate "bugfucked" into converstaion.)
Well, you can try and sell that "dense" bullshit, but I'm not buying it. Managing one's expectations to satisfaction is a poor gamble when one is as invested as you are in a conundrum as gelatinous as TPTR is. Being human is about the only crime committed as I see it. And, inability to understand it is corollary to comparison with the set of viewers who do (presume to) understand it or, even more obscene, pontificate on their superiority of understanding. Nobody understands this. Kyle M. said so about himself. See? You're even with Cooper.
I also recommend Manhattans.
I doubt even Lynch fully understands it. Better to think and act as if, "This is how I understand it," than to think or say, "This is how it is to be understood," IMO opinion at least. I know that this was not your intention, but I'd like to point out that liking the ending, accepting it, or being satisfied by it isn't the same as saying, "I fully understand it" (just to draw a distinction between passionate defenders and the "you don't get Lynch" type crowd).
Most theories that I have read are as good as anything that I've managed to conjure and I appreciate all of them.
Now, back to those feelin's about it all . . .
@Caoimhín -- I'm pretty sure we're in exact agreement. There's so little room for objective evaluation here, let alone comprehension. We must allow for equivalency of interpretation, certainly of perception. The "you don't get Lynch" attitude is dismissive, and to be dismissed.
My father (real one, not the one who showed me the ball of twine and killed all my friends) asked probably the most important question of all:
Why did nobody turn on the radio on those long drives?
My father (real one, not the one who showed me the ball of twine and killed all my friends) asked probably the most important question of all:
Why did nobody turn on the radio on those long drives?
You remember what happened when Laura Dern (and Nick Cage) tried to find a radio station on their road trip in WAH. That's why.
My father (real one, not the one who showed me the ball of twine and killed all my friends) asked probably the most important question of all:
Why did nobody turn on the radio on those long drives?
Because they have to remove the fuse, as I do, so the battery isn't drained by mornin' (and sometimes I forget to put the fuse back in before or while driving).
Last night I was in denial. This morning I am at anger. I suspect later today will be bargaining, then depression, and hopefully one day will be acceptance.
I'm so agitated and confused. Did my best friend just die or did I just make a new best friend?
And before you start giving me that "you just don't understand art" stuff, please just don't. Art is to be interpreted and processed by the individual. That is what I am doing.
I feel like a kid who was promised Disney World. Went on a loooooong, silent car ride, down many dark roads, stopped in a motel along the way, had to listen to my parents having sex in the next room, woke up the next day in a different motel, got in a different car, set off again to Disney World. Stopped at an overly spacious diner, watched dad get into it with some locals, got back in the car and started driving again. Stop at auntie Carrie's house. Don't know who that random, bloated dead guy on the couch is. (damn that had to smell bad) Back in the car again, much loooooong driving. But all of this is okay, because I'm going to Disney World!
And finally, after all that, we get to our destination. But instead of Disney World, I'm looking at the world's biggest ball of twine.
WTF Dad?!
That's my feeling completely. In other, spanish forum I wrote my feelings about the finale. I credited as a scam, and I was very careful to select the adjetive. I felt scamed. Because I was not watching the Return, I was watching a mixed Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire. And not, is not like I don't appreaciate Lynch, or even I don't get it. I just think that this season took its own path and acquired it self language and I could'nt recognize it in the finale, mostly in part 18.
Also I do understand that Twin Peaks is not about the town, or Double RR, or the Roudhouse and coffee and cherry pie (nor about the bunny either), but it almost felt like betrayal. Lynch left us drifting.
But today I feel more enthusiastic about it. And grateful that we all could watch this on TV! And I know I can't be mad at Lynch ♥
I still keep going back and forth. This morning I am feeling fairly accepting. Who knows what this afternoon will bring. But I'm mellowing and learning to just ride the waves as they come.
In response to your comment about Twin Peaks not being about the town, I always thought that was exactly what is was about. Back in the 90's after they solved the Laura Palmer murder, I asked my friend what the point now was. She said (and yes I remember this clearly after 25 years) "The show is called Twin Peaks, not Laura Palmer." That was quite enlightening to me then, even though the show went in some odd directions at that point.
So this was also Twin Peaks: The Return. Maybe one of the bigger questions is what exactly "the return" is intended to indicate.
I still feel betrayed, not by the ending per say, but by the seeming disappearance/erasure of all those stories.
Fire walk with