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Twin Peaks: Part 17 & Part 18

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ClaudiusSecond

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Posted by: Ric Bissell
1. A story that ends with "it was all a dream" is bad.
2. David Lynch doesn't make bad stories.
3. Therefore, Twin Peaks cannot end with "it was all a dream."

Does that about sum it up? 😉
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1. u r generalizing

Posted : 08/09/2017 10:03 am

Ric Bissell

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Posted by: ClaudiusSecond
Posted by: Ric Bissell
1. A story that ends with "it was all a dream" is bad.
2. David Lynch doesn't make bad stories.
3. Therefore, Twin Peaks cannot end with "it was all a dream."
1. u r generalizing

Hi - I Claudius,

Yes. Syllogisms require generalization, especially in the first line - also known as the major premise.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 10:56 am

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Thomas Kendall

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I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.

This fits with the show having a mythic perspective...mythic as a mode of understanding the world, not just as a structure or related to the supernatural...rather one where psychology is secondary to the manifestation of psychology...where the world is fundamentally incomprehensible but simultaneously open to possibility. I think the final reality is meant to be 'ours' but that this is no more 'real' than the others. (the lady who answers the door is the real owner of Sarah Palmer's house).

I'm trying to formalise it a little better but I think there is an equal ontological weight placed on fantasy, nightmare and 'reality' since in Lynch's work reality is often that which intrudes violently upon fantasy..fantasy which is our usual mode of apprehending the world (subjectivity)

One space, many places.

Cooper's Hubris in trying to prevent the murder leads to the wrath of Judy, who is, i think the dreamer. She disrupts, just like with Odysseus, Cooper's return. And to what could he return? 'Some things may change'.

Lynch's preoccupation with television as a medium is fairly evident (smashing the tv at the start of fire walk with me, the glass box which billionaire's pay you to watch etc) and I think whatever meta aspect he is using it isn't as simple or reductive as 'it was all a dream'. The key phrase, as i've heard elsewhere, is the 'live'.

I think for Lynch we are never completely in contact with 'the real' simply because the real is always an interrelation of differing subjectivities and realities.

At the end Cooper is a hybrid of his two oppositional selves, more ambiguous, less polarised. However, his Richard is no less subject to unreality, no more real, no less connected to the other three domains than any other iteration of himself.

It's kind of Lacanian: The symbolic (red room), The imaginary (twin peaks) and the Real (our world). However each of these are dependent and communicate with oneanother, they each hold the same weight of consequence. Thus the same space is always already all three of these aspects.

Posted : 08/09/2017 11:05 am

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Hi Thomas,

Man, I don't know how you got your computer to take Sparkle, but your post came out, as Dougie would say, "Weeeiirrd."

Any chance for a re-post? 😉

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Posted : 08/09/2017 11:13 am

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Posted by: Thomas Kendall
I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.

Hi Thomas,

OK, now it is cleared up. Maybe it was my computer (or even me ;-)) on Sparkle!

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Posted : 08/09/2017 11:15 am

Caoimhín Shirey

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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Thomas Kendall
I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.
Hi Thomas,
OK, now it is cleared up. Maybe it was my computer (or even me ;-)) on Sparkle!
😉
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Then we were both on sparkle because I saw what you were referring to as well. ?

Posted : 08/09/2017 11:50 am

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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Thomas Kendall
I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.
Hi Thomas,
OK, now it is cleared up. Maybe it was my computer (or even me ;-)) on Sparkle!
Then we were both on sparkle because I saw what you were referring to as well. ?

Hi Caoimhín,

Sparkle Party! Get Down Tonight! 😉

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Posted : 08/09/2017 12:01 pm

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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Thomas Kendall
I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.
Hi Thomas,
OK, now it is cleared up. Maybe it was my computer (or even me ;-)) on Sparkle!
Then we were both on sparkle because I saw what you were referring to as well. ?
Hi Caoimhín,
Sparkle Party! Get Down Tonight! 😉
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You know you want to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-jN3vH26NQ

Posted : 08/09/2017 12:08 pm

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Caoimhín Shirey

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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Caoimhín Shirey
Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Thomas Kendall
I think the structure is loosely based around the Odyssey but there is no 'return.' Cooper is blown off course by Judy who interrupts Jefferies transmission.
Hi Thomas,
OK, now it is cleared up. Maybe it was my computer (or even me ;-)) on Sparkle!
Then we were both on sparkle because I saw what you were referring to as well. ?
Hi Caoimhín,
Sparkle Party! Get Down Tonight! 😉
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You know you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-jN3vH26NQ