Now before I get the whole "The Return is pure lynchian, there is a difference between Twin Peaks fans and David Lynch fans" schpeel I just want to point out that there hasn't been something Lynch has created that I haven't loved. I also am a fan of FWWM but it honestly really upsets me with how much David could have done with the third season. I almost teared up going back and watching season 2 episode 7 and it really changed my opinion I had for the return. There was just so much magic and feeling and I felt that all of that was sadly missing from the new season. There was a few magical and memorable moments from the return but definitely did not live up to the previous seasons and fire walk with me. Most of it I thought was very sloppy and pointless. I felt that it should have been an 8 episode thing and the absence of Julee Cruise, Harry Truman and Donna was unsettling. Not to mention the green glove crap and how the Bob situation was resolved.. so disappointing.. The more I think about it the more sad I get.. I had such high hopes for the season and expected it to be something completely different. He had the artistic freedom to do it the way he wanted and that is awesome but it definitely didn't exceed my expectations..
If you get what you need from seasons 1 and 2...then why do you need another season of more of the same?
I didn't want it to be the exact same storyline.. Like I said I enjoyed some moments from the new one and I was interested in almost all of the new chsracters, especially Becky.. but the way it was done and drawn out was sloppy to me.
I didn't want it to be the exact same storyline.. Like I said I enjoyed some moments from the new one and I was interested in almost all of the new chsracters, especially Becky.. but the way it was done and drawn out was sloppy to me.
To each their own...Personally I found "The Return" to be far beyond Season 2 in quality and am a very satisfied TP/Lynch fan for having the opportunity to revisit TP 25 years later.
OMG I had forgotten about Firesign Theatre! Been a long time!
nothing was pointless, and 25 years later, after all the globalization and novelties brought by new technologies and how it impacted on '' reality'' and daily routines, trying to emulate that 90's feeling in 2017, would not only be a bad choise, but also would be a poor Fan Service
Lol...if The Return was actually "more of the same" most people here would still be raving about it.
The Return had problems...let's face it.
In FWWM when Laura overcame BOBs plan it was POWERFUL.
In the Return when Freddie defeated BOB it was laughable.
Admitting that doesn't mean you just want "more of the same".
Couldn't have said it better myself Zack.
Again, people keep missing my point. I didn't expect the return to be an exact carbon copy of the original series, and I wasn't expecting it to have a 90s feel. I just think that it could have been so much more and in a completely different direction. There were amazing moments from the series, there is no denying that. Was it Lynch in his purest form yes, we all appreciate his art and his style, but I felt like he could have saved that for another project.
There is a certain underlying sweetness and charm to the original show that is missing in season 3, I agree. Freed of network constraints, it's closer to Lynch's movies and more harsh on the whole.
If you get what you need from seasons 1 and 2...then why do you need another season of more of the same?
If you loved lasagna after eating it once would you never eat it again?
If you get what you need from seasons 1 and 2...then why do you need another season of more of the same?
If you loved lasagna after eating it once would you never eat it again?
False equivalence. If you have season 1 and 2 to watch time and again, why want a remake?
If you get what you need from seasons 1 and 2...then why do you need another season of more of the same?
If you loved lasagna after eating it once would you never eat it again?
False equivalence. If you have season 1 and 2 to watch time and again, why want a remake?
Did you hate the ending of season 2? Because that was how season 3 got to be...nothing sweet about it.
You can't criticize season 3 for no Harry Truman as Harry Goaz turned it down and introducing Frank is as good as it's gonna get.
Also a HUGE Firesign Theater fan here!
Now before I get the whole "The Return is pure lynchian, there is a difference between Twin Peaks fans and David Lynch fans" schpeel I just want to point out that there hasn't been something Lynch has created that I haven't loved. I also am a fan of FWWM but it honestly really upsets me with how much David could have done with the third season. I almost teared up going back and watching season 2 episode 7 and it really changed my opinion I had for the return. There was just so much magic and feeling and I felt that all of that was sadly missing from the new season. There was a few magical and memorable moments from the return but definitely did not live up to the previous seasons and fire walk with me. Most of it I thought was very sloppy and pointless. I felt that it should have been an 8 episode thing and the absence of Julee Cruise, Harry Truman and Donna was unsettling. Not to mention the green glove crap and how the Bob situation was resolved.. so disappointing.. The more I think about it the more sad I get.. I had such high hopes for the season and expected it to be something completely different. He had the artistic freedom to do it the way he wanted and that is awesome but it definitely didn't exceed my expectations..
I think a huge theme/goal that played out over and over was the subversion of our expectations. That's why we got silly Freddie in a video-game fist fight with Bob. Cooper's final line, "what year is it?" seems to me to comment on all the reboots and nostalgia we've had in the 21st century. It's not 1990 anymore. That particular magic has passed. We can be hung up on not having it anymore, but some of us really embrace the new magic. I'm biased and I guess I'm an apologist, but this is my favorite reboot of any that I've seen, and it's precisely because it was self aware and because it toyed with me so much.
Around episode 6 or 7, I figured out we wouldn't see Dale Cooper till the very end, and I embraced it. The season worked much like a piece of classical/romantic music, putting up tons of roadblocks between the exposition (which for us happened years ago) and the final cadence resolving to the tonic chord (the return of Dale Cooper). The resolution is made more powerful by all those roadblocks (which in music would be jumps into new keys). And then this piece added a coda that totally subverted our expectations and again left me wanting more and left me with much to think about forever and ever. I like that.
So, beware, I might be a sycophant, but I loved this and found lots of magic in it. I totally forgot about Donna as I got into Carl Rodd and Janey-E. Yes, some of it (like the Steven/Becky story line) still seems kinda sloppy to me--though lightyears better than the crap in Season 2 after Leland died and Lynch disappeared from the set. But I might one day understand why they included some of this Season 3 footage. Plus, I like long drawn out Kubrickian film; I'm happy they did 18 hours.
Your opinion is just as good as mine, but I'm ultimately very very happy with this. I was actually scared in the first episode that we might face 18 hours of a tormenting FWWM, and I was extraordinarily happy it didn't turn out that way. Half this season was David Lynch doing slapstick comedy. I loved it!!!
Fire walk with