Hi- I have just taken up residency here in the hopes of getting some answers- episode 18 left me feeling giddy- I have no answers- like most of you it seems- just more questions. I don't subscribe completely to the it's all a dream theory- there are contents in the series such as laptops and mobile phones that agent Cooper wouldn't be able to dream up. It was definitely Cooper that woke up and drove off from the hotel- he called out for Dianne on awakening- he was confused or perturbed by the Richard/Linda names on the note. It seems the following sequences were all set in the nineties- look at the telephone set inthe hotel, the telephone sounds in Cassius house, the decor, TV sets, lack of flat screens, mobile phones or CCTV cameras- these all indicate the 1990s. So these are my observations. would anyone here be kind enough to help me put these together in some way that. Shins to frame an understanding of what happened?
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Here's a condensed explanation that I've gleaned from other threads, pertaining to the era in which Richard/Cooper finds himself.
He lands up in Odessa Texas, population sign upon entering town indicates census information from 2000-2010. So, could be anywhere within the past decade. Apparently (I think on Reddit) a poster zoomed in on the newspaper that the older woman is reading within the diner and it dates to a time around 2008.
I think the antiquated feeling (if we can call the 1990s that!) of the environment is more of a expression of the way America can feel at any given moment: motels often hold onto decor until they wear, diners are even guiltier (who the hell knows how long the coffee has been in the pot.) Hypothetically the moment he leaves the diner the older couple might get a Facebook message and pull their phone out to view it. That's one of Lynch's many strong suits: to paint a picture of a moment, with color and light highlighting the mundane and mysterious.
I liked the Odessa reference too- it hearkens to the Odyssey and Cooper's quest. Also (and this is so secondary and unimportant but meaning is assigned isn't it?) OdessA could be reconstrued to spell AdessO in Italian: meaning: NOW.
Is it future or is it past? Neither. It's now.
Good question ! Maybe he doesn't know about these things, he doesn't call gordon when he wakes up but give bushnell a note. Lucy doesn't understand it either but when coop arrives at the sheriff station she's says: i understand mobile phones now. If it's real i think the real lucy isn't that dumb that it took about 25 years to understand it, right at the moment cooper enters the room. I don't know how he can dream about it, has he a sort of connection to the real world ? images like andy saw by the fireman? It's a great puzzle to solve 😉
Hmmm- thanks for the reply. I like your reasoning. It I'm not convinced- I'm sure lynch would e included something modern that jarred with the rest- did anything , any one thing in any scene contain anything from the 21st century?
I'm confused about what time Diane and Cooper left the Black Lodge and whether when they crossed over the 430 mark they went to a different time. The car they are driving in is a 1960s car so are they in the 1960s when they leave the Black Lodge and are they still in the 1960s when they cross over the 430 mark or are they in a different time before they cross over the 430 mark and in the 1960s when they cross over the 430 mark? After having sex the time moves forward to the present but the world Cooper wakes up in is a present/dimension controlled by Judy. Cooper is no longer Cooper but a person called Richard and so no longer acts like Cooper.
Hmmm- thanks for the reply. I like your reasoning. It I'm not convinced- I'm sure lynch would e included something modern that jarred with the rest- did anything , any one thing in any scene contain anything from the 21st century?
Sorry I need to revisit the episode I think- on waking up doesn't he call out for Diane? Doesn't he look peterbed at the names writeen on the note- indicating that he sees himself as Cooper- and doesn't he look and act disconcerted about the changes to car and hotel once outside the hotel? Doesn't he in fact refer to himself as agent Cooper or have I made that up?
Sorry I need to revisit the episode I think- on waking up doesn't he call out for Diane? Doesn't he look peterbed at the names writeen on the note- indicating that he sees himself as Cooper- and doesn't he look and act disconcerted about the changes to car and hotel once outside the hotel? Doesn't he in fact refer to himself as agent Cooper or have I made that up?
Your memory is correct. He calls out to Diane and seems puzzled by Richard and Linda references. He refers to himself as Special Agent Dale Cooper when speaking to Mrs Tremond at the Palmer House.
This is the part of the whole episode I still don't really fully understand. Diane seems to realise that she has changed at some point whether when she sees her double or during the sex scene and realises that Dale is now Richard but Dale does not seem to have realised that he has changed. He definitely acts differently once he leaves the motel but still believes that he is Dale Cooper on a mission to save Laura and bring her home regardless of everything else around him which he seems to notice but can't comprehend it. The other thing I found strange was how when they came into Twin Peaks everything was quiet and no people around. Obviously the Tremonds were still up and had their lights on and so it couldn't have been the middle of the morning and so there should have been some people about the town I would have thought.
Thanks JeffreyGWillett
Thanks for that- It seems wise then, on this evidence, to say that this being is in fact, Agent Cooper- there are many other explanations for his demeanour and actions in the cafe being a little out of character of a twenty five year younger agent Cooper?would you share your thoughts on the ep 18 timeline?
Oh damn-I need a coffee and a doughnut now whilst I try to take that in! Andrew glesson!
This is the part of the whole episode I still don't really fully understand. Diane seems to realise that she has changed at some point whether when she sees her double or during the sex scene and realises that Dale is now Richard but Dale does not seem to have realised that he has changed. He definitely acts differently once he leaves the motel but still believes that he is Dale Cooper on a mission to save Laura and bring her home regardless of everything else around him which he seems to notice but can't comprehend it.
I think it's not that Diane sees Dale as having changed...it's that *Linda* looks at Dale and sees Dale and not Richard. From Linda's viewpoint, he's supposed to be Richard.
I think Diane's transition to Linda was finalized when she saw herself and yet didn't seem to recognize it. It was visual evidence of identity disassociation.
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