Like many of you, I have been somewhat confounded by the various numerological references in the Twin Peaks universe. What does it all mean? Of particular interest as of late has been 3, 15, and 315.
· We all know that in Part 2 when Cooper arrives at the Purple Room, the socket has a number 15 on it. When he returns to the room it has changed to a 3.
· In seasons 1 and 2, Cooper’s room at the Great Northern was 315.
· In Part 17, the 315 room key ends up opening up a portal in the basement of the Great Northern. Is it a coincidence that 3 of them (Cooper, Diane, and Gordon) went to the basement? We already know 15 seems to somehow represent “electricity.”
· This all seems to lead to the number 315 (and combinations thereof) equating to “electricity.”
(Stay with me here…)
The cover art for the upcoming book by Mark Frost, Twin Peaks The Final Dossier depicts an equilateral 5th triangle. Some facts about a 5th triangle in geometrical geek-speak are as follows:
(Images will be provided to illustrate these points)
1. It has 15 “dots” inside.
2. 15 is the triangular number of a 5th triangle: x5=5(5+1)/2=15
3. It has 3 main points (of course, it is a triangle…).
4. 31 is the sum of the array of binomial coefficients, when converted to a Pascal’s triangle, (again, images to be provided).
(Stay with me…)
Why do triangles have relevance in Twin Peaks? Well, other than the cover art of the upcoming book, here are some other reasons:
· The words “Twin Peaks” essentially mean “two pyramids.”
· There were many references to pyramids in the book, Autobiography of F.B.I. Special Agent Dale Cooper:
o In 1969, Cooper recorded that he met a couple on the road. On the ceiling of their VW bus, a crystal pyramid is glued. They tell him it “increases the electric field as they are making love.” As Cooper is leaving, they gift him a pyramid of his own and tell him to keep it near him anytime he makes love.
o When Cooper arrived back home from the trip, he recorded that he glued it above his bed.
o In 1970, Cooper wrote his first poem:
Alone in a teepee full of breasts
hovering above him like angels
He dreams of fireflies and pyramids
and stars sleeping on rocks.
o In 1970, Cooper recorded that he placed the pyramid on the grave of his childhood sweetheart (Marie) who mysteriously died.
o In 1988, Cooper visited Marie’s grave and recorded that the pyramid was gone.
What I am wondering is if in Part 17 during the very awkward sex scene between Cooper/Richard and Diane/Linda, could there have been a triangle above the bed? Off-screen of course, as we never saw one. Diane/Linda kept looking up at something – maybe it was the picture above the bed, maybe not. If Cooper/Richard had learned that having a triangle around when making love creates “electricity,” could that be why he seemed to morph into Mr. C while they were having sex? And maybe that is why Diane/Linda kept covering his face during sex (she didn’t like that he was changing)? Perhaps electricity is what makes Richard change into his different personalities?
I have written a theory on another thread that I believe “Cooper” as we know him never existed and is, instead, a schizophrenic man named Richard. Maybe his 3 personalities are Cooper, Richard (his true identity) and Mr. C. All representing 3 points of the pyramid…and maybe there are “two worlds” at play and thus, the twin triangles/pyramids.
I don’t know – this may be “out there” as an idea (even for me), but I feel there may be some kind of a tie in. Either that, or Lynch/Frost have thrown yet another red herring my way to slowly drive me mad. But what is up with the triangles/pyramids?
I can only post one picture per comment, apparently, so others to follow.
Here is the "t5" 5th triangle (representing 15 "dots"):
I have to admit I have hesitated to comment in your other thread because, to be honest, to me what you described bears little relation to what I saw watching any part of Twins Peaks.
But I do have some questions for you here if you don't mind.
Are you describing what is shown on Frost's book as a "equilateral 5th triangle" because the triangles which make it the larger triangle, and the large triangle itself, are equilateral triangles? You are aware there are 16 equilateral triangles which make up the large triangle on the book? There being a row of 1, 3, 5, and 7 triangles.
Also, Pascal's triangle is simply a triangular array of numbers. It doesn't actually have anything to do with triangles as shapes. There isn't really a 5th triangle either. It's just the Pascal's triangular array with 5 rows. The array, as you show, can be made up of a triangular array of any type of shape be it dots, squares or whatever. The shape is unimportant, there could be no shape, just the numbers. Each place is just a placeholder for a number in the array.
Cooper speaks of a pyramid. but a pyramid isn't a triangle. The picture on Frost's book could be a pyramid made of pyramids in which case triangles have no bearing. I don't know how many pyramids would be in the larger pyramid but it would be more than 15 and less than 315.
Peaks are mountains, not triangles. Their shape can be described as roughly triangular, viewed from one side, at best.
I won't comment on the sex scene except to say at no point in entering the room or during is a pyramid in evidence.
I think you may be onto something. At the very least it makes a lot of sense, and would be miraculously fitting if it wasn't true.
I immediately thought it was weird that it was Cooper, Diane, and Cole that walked to the room in the great northern. Why wouldn't they have backup for something major like this? We are talking about otherworldly, potentially world threatening evil. How did they even get there (in all other episodes it took for ever for the characters to travel). I've been reading it as not being real since the first watch (whether that means a dream or delusion), but I totally understand why that would be a hard pill to swallow. It was for me too, but I accepted that what we saw was not "real." Just the continuity errors alone seem to point to that.
I almost immediately dismissed your post with the serial killer theory, but it fits just as much as the dream theory. I wanted Cooper to be "real" and TP to be "real" too, but if the serial killer theory is correct, then from a writing standpoint, it's much more intellectual than a goofy story about the battle between good and evil spirits loaded with continuity errors and out of place/underdeveloped story arcs. Don't get me wrong, I love the quirkiness of Twin Peaks, but I don't think the point of TP is for us to "find out how Cooper can save Laura and destroy Judy (whoever/whatever Judy is)." I don't find many holes with this, but I am left wondering one major thing: What would be the point of the Secret History of Twin Peaks and the Final Dossier? Is that part of the delusion/dream too? Or merely show merchandise? I'm Curious how you see that. Also, it is very similar to LostHighway and Mulholland Drive, which would be somewhat disappointing coming from Lynch, only because he's done that before. But as it stands alone, it's cinematically beautiful and an incredible story, however you interpret it. The emotion I felt throughout the Return was unlike anything I have felt while watching a television show. That emotion is real, and that's all that matters to me 🙂
Just to add to your number 3/pyramid recurring motifs:
- the three vegas girls
- the three Fusco brothers
- three being the number of infidelity which TP is drenched in (all of the affairs).
Like many of you, I have been somewhat confounded by the various numerological references in the Twin Peaks universe. What does it all mean? Of particular interest as of late has been 3, 15, and 315.
· We all know that in Part 2 when Cooper arrives at the Purple Room, the socket has a number 15 on it. When he returns to the room it has changed to a 3.
· In seasons 1 and 2, Cooper’s room at the Great Northern was 315.
· In Part 17, the 315 room key ends up opening up a portal in the basement of the Great Northern. Is it a coincidence that 3 of them (Cooper, Diane, and Gordon) went to the basement? We already know 15 seems to somehow represent “electricity.”
· This all seems to lead to the number 315 (and combinations thereof) equating to “electricity.”
(Stay with me here…)
The cover art for the upcoming book by Mark Frost, Twin Peaks The Final Dossier depicts an equilateral 5th triangle. Some facts about a 5th triangle in geometrical geek-speak are as follows:
(Images will be provided to illustrate these points)
1. It has 15 “dots” inside.
2. 15 is the triangular number of a 5th triangle: x5=5(5+1)/2=15
3. It has 3 main points (of course, it is a triangle…).
4. 31 is the sum of the array of binomial coefficients, when converted to a Pascal’s triangle, (again, images to be provided).
(Stay with me…)
Why do triangles have relevance in Twin Peaks? Well, other than the cover art of the upcoming book, here are some other reasons:
· The words “Twin Peaks” essentially mean “two pyramids.”
· There were many references to pyramids in the book, Autobiography of F.B.I. Special Agent Dale Cooper:
o In 1969, Cooper recorded that he met a couple on the road. On the ceiling of their VW bus, a crystal pyramid is glued. They tell him it “increases the electric field as they are making love.” As Cooper is leaving, they gift him a pyramid of his own and tell him to keep it near him anytime he makes love.
o When Cooper arrived back home from the trip, he recorded that he glued it above his bed.
o In 1970, Cooper wrote his first poem:
Alone in a teepee full of breasts
hovering above him like angels
He dreams of fireflies and pyramids
and stars sleeping on rocks.
o In 1970, Cooper recorded that he placed the pyramid on the grave of his childhood sweetheart (Marie) who mysteriously died.
o In 1988, Cooper visited Marie’s grave and recorded that the pyramid was gone.
What I am wondering is if in Part 17 during the very awkward sex scene between Cooper/Richard and Diane/Linda, could there have been a triangle above the bed? Off-screen of course, as we never saw one. Diane/Linda kept looking up at something – maybe it was the picture above the bed, maybe not. If Cooper/Richard had learned that having a triangle around when making love creates “electricity,” could that be why he seemed to morph into Mr. C while they were having sex? And maybe that is why Diane/Linda kept covering his face during sex (she didn’t like that he was changing)? Perhaps electricity is what makes Richard change into his different personalities?
I have written a theory on another thread that I believe “Cooper” as we know him never existed and is, instead, a schizophrenic man named Richard. Maybe his 3 personalities are Cooper, Richard (his true identity) and Mr. C. All representing 3 points of the pyramid…and maybe there are “two worlds” at play and thus, the twin triangles/pyramids.
I don’t know – this may be “out there” as an idea (even for me), but I feel there may be some kind of a tie in. Either that, or Lynch/Frost have thrown yet another red herring my way to slowly drive me mad. But what is up with the triangles/pyramids?
I can only post one picture per comment, apparently, so others to follow.
Whilst a triangle has 3 sides, a pyramid has, at minimum, 4 sides (everyone seems to forget the base).
I love your threads Dianna, and I find it interesting that you and I seem to be the only people on this forum who have read Dale Cooper's book.
I love your threads Dianna, and I find it interesting that you and I seem to be the only people on this forum who have read Dale Cooper's book.
Going to read it now.
I love your threads Dianna, and I find it interesting that you and I seem to be the only people on this forum who have read Dale Cooper's book.
Going to read it now.
You will love it! Well...maybe not "love" it, as a lot of it is unnerving as it relates to our dear, all-American Coop. The prices for the paperback are outrageous as it is out of print - there are several free .pdf and iBook versions out there.
I love your threads Dianna, and I find it interesting that you and I seem to be the only people on this forum who have read Dale Cooper's book.
Thanks gregreason - that is a huge compliment! I quite enjoy yours, as well. And yes, I think if others on this forum had read that book, they would have a much different take on things. Cooper was quite "off" and there are many aspects to his personality that completely conflict with the way we see him in Seasons 1 & 2. Randomly killing an animal just for enjoyment and all of the strange fires and deaths around him. And the seemingly remorseless way he responded to a lot of it. Doesn't seem like the Coop we all know and love.
I think you may be onto something. At the very least it makes a lot of sense, and would be miraculously fitting if it wasn't true.
I immediately thought it was weird that it was Cooper, Diane, and Cole that walked to the room in the great northern. Why wouldn't they have backup for something major like this? We are talking about otherworldly, potentially world threatening evil. How did they even get there (in all other episodes it took for ever for the characters to travel). I've been reading it as not being real since the first watch (whether that means a dream or delusion), but I totally understand why that would be a hard pill to swallow. It was for me too, but I accepted that what we saw was not "real." Just the continuity errors alone seem to point to that.
I almost immediately dismissed your post with the serial killer theory, but it fits just as much as the dream theory. I wanted Cooper to be "real" and TP to be "real" too, but if the serial killer theory is correct, then from a writing standpoint, it's much more intellectual than a goofy story about the battle between good and evil spirits loaded with continuity errors and out of place/underdeveloped story arcs. Don't get me wrong, I love the quirkiness of Twin Peaks, but I don't think the point of TP is for us to "find out how Cooper can save Laura and destroy Judy (whoever/whatever Judy is)." I don't find many holes with this, but I am left wondering one major thing: What would be the point of the Secret History of Twin Peaks and the Final Dossier? Is that part of the delusion/dream too? Or merely show merchandise? I'm Curious how you see that. Also, it is very similar to LostHighway and Mulholland Drive, which would be somewhat disappointing coming from Lynch, only because he's done that before. But as it stands alone, it's cinematically beautiful and an incredible story, however you interpret it. The emotion I felt throughout the Return was unlike anything I have felt while watching a television show. That emotion is real, and that's all that matters to me 🙂
Hey Andres,
You raise some great points/questions! My take on the Secret History of Twin Peaks is that it was mainly about the creators wanting to spur excitement/renewed interest in the show and to entice us to want to "return" to the town of Twin Peaks for another season. And maybe to throw us a red herring (or ten) to keep us all believing the town of Twin Peaks and all that occurred Seasons 1 and 2 were real as we entered into Season 3 (assuming it isn't, that is). Regarding the Final Dossier, since I don't know what the content will entail, it is hard for me to comment on how I feel about that at this time. It is possible that it will continue to confuse us and provide no concrete answers on what we saw in Seasons 1-3 and FWWM. OR, it is possible that there will be some sort of (perhaps hidden) resolution and a wrap-up of sorts. If Lynch is truly done with the Twin Peaks franchise completely, than this is a possibility. It is really just so tough to tell, as I don't know if the creators plan to take the story further, leave it hanging where it ended in Season 3 for us all to interpret for ourselves, or finalize it once and for all. Or none of the above (haha).
Regarding the disappointing aspect to Twin Peaks resolving in a similar fashion to Mulholland Dr. and Lost Highway, I hear what you are saying completely. One thing I keep thinking about, though, is the fact that Twin Peaks was originally supposed to be over before either of those other stories ever hit the screen. As I stated in a different thread, I tend to feel that Lynch couldn't finish what he started after the abrupt ending to Season 2 and created the Mulholland Dr. storyline to follow suit with what he intended for the ending of Twin Peaks. Back in those days, he had no idea if he would be able to being Twin Peaks back 25 years later and he could have viewed it as completely over...a lost cause. So he did Mulholland Dr. instead. If all of that is true, going into The Return, he would have had to completely abandon his original concept for how Twin Peaks was intended to end, just to avoid duplicating themes. That just doesn't sound like him, as far as I am concerned - he would want to stay true to his original vision. He also may have felt that there was no way any of us would come to these conclusions (a Mulholland Dr. type resolution), so it would have been the perfect "gotcha!" But your guess is as good as mine. I guess we will wait and see! 🙂
I have to admit I have hesitated to comment in your other thread because, to be honest, to me what you described bears little relation to what I saw watching any part of Twins Peaks.
Having watched all of Lynch's earlier films which most deal with the psyche and dreams, I find that The Return bears a LOT of resemblance to what Dianna has posted. Some of it is so obvious....
I have to admit I have hesitated to comment in your other thread because, to be honest, to me what you described bears little relation to what I saw watching any part of Twins Peaks.
Having watched all of Lynch's earlier films which most deal with the psyche and dreams, I find that The Return bears a LOT of resemblance to what Dianna has posted. Some of it is so obvious....
Yes, Mike. I think the big question is, is it too obvious? This is why I love Lynch and love this forum! An open mind is crucial and deductive reasoning seems to be secondary. 🙂
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