Similar to the Woodsman, Mrs. Tremond AKA Mrs. Chalfont is an entity of the black lodge. They were both at the meeting above the convenience store. She would have probably been included in this series but the actress that played her, Frances Bey, passed away.
She seems to occupy properties. In addition to the trailer park, she was living next to Harold in season 2 when Donna encountered her. Then later on Donna and Cooper returned to find a different Mrs. Tremond at the house.
That's just creepy pasta ahhhhhh good catch though.
Mrs. Chalfont is a squatter? Now that is evil.
I'm thinking these (Alice)Tremond's sold their house to the up and coming Palmers. Leland and Sarah married in 1968(T.P lore). The car Dale(Richard) was driving is said to have been a 1966-70 make. "What year is this", perhaps is hinting at the past.
They stop at a Velero gas station, and according to ze internets, Valero was founded in 1980.
Similar to the Woodsman, Mrs. Tremond AKA Mrs. Chalfont is an entity of the black lodge. They were both at the meeting above the convenience store. She would have probably been included in this series but the actress that played her, Frances Bey, passed away.
She seems to occupy properties. In addition to the trailer park, she was living next to Harold in season 2 when Donna encountered her. Then later on Donna and Cooper returned to find a different Mrs. Tremond at the house.
I thought she was too busy attempting to keeping Jerry from stealing her marble rye
LOL! Good one. Totally forgot she was on Seinfeld.
I think in this particular reality, Black Lodge entities covered the house in a psychic smokescreen to try to keep Cooper and Laura out. It was Sarah's house and she was in there. So was Judy. Cooper's confusion was akin to the deputies not remembering anything at the vortex. Lodge activity messes up human minds.
But what do I know?
I agree with this. That's why when they are back into the street, Cooper moves forward and makes a motion with his hand like he did when entering Glastonbury Grove and exiting the waiting room, moving the curtain. Then he becomes aware and asks what year it is. Also think this brings back everything for Carrie/Laura, resulting in her scream.
The movement of Cooper that you have described reminded me very much of Mike. There is a scene where Mike was moving in front of the Red curtains, trying to make himself visible to Dougie. It was a distinctive move, and then Mike said to Dougie "you can see me." When I saw Cooper making the same odd move, I wondered if he was trying to manifest himself to someone else who was not there in front of that house.
Weird as it may sound, I'm glad Mrs Tremond & Chalfont are connected to the Palmer house. It shows that Dale & Laura are at the right place and that there is still a connection to Twin Peaks and the Lodge. I would be more worried if it was owned by someone they didn't know from the past.
And when Dale brings Laura at the very end. Do you see it?
The landscape is a little different. That's all. But in front of Sarah's house there are full grown shrubs and in front of the house here they are much smaller. So what does that mean? One of three things maybe.
1) This is showing us that the year they are in at the finale is before the year we are watching the majority of the show and the shrubs are much larger and overgrown.
2) The new owners redid their landscape. Not very exciting. :/
3) The props people didn't want to bring their big shrubs back for the dark night scene and hoped nobody would notice. Also not very exciting. Also foolish. :/
So, like I said, maybe nothing but I wanted to share the screencaps so everyone else could see it for themselves. Also want to point out that window from the "the entity is in the window" thread clearly already has something there so I really think it's just a lamp or a piece of furniture near the window.
The thing in the window is also there in Ep 3/4. It could very well be the same shot used twice, but still, I doubt that is the Experiment etc looking out the window like Bob was in mirror in the original series. . .
The scream was assuredly caused by the faint "Laura" call
I think this Mrs. Tremond is the old woman when she was young, meaning they have travelled back to the past. Just a guess.
I was thinking that they were more likely in a parallel dimension altogether that isn't really governed by linear time. But if they're time traveling in a more conventional sense, a few things point towards them being in the future rather than the past.
One would be the lingering shot on the Double R after they pass it on the way to the Palmer house. After Norma decided to de-franchise the diner, I'm guessing that she probably would have gotten rid of the franchise-y "RR to Go" branding/signage, which is noticeably absent in that lingering shot. Of course this could also suggest that it's in the past, before they made the change to "RR to Go" in the first place, but the street lighting, walk signals, and other elements in that shot definitely look post '80s, as does the Valero gas station they stop at shortly before (although you never know, there's a very good possibility that there was some dimensional/time crossing on their road trip at some point).
But the main thing that makes me lean towards this being the future within a more conventional framework is a role that the Tremonds/Chalfonts seem to play, in which after some crazy black lodge-y biz goes down, somebody with one of those names seems to be there.
The more I write and think about this, though, the more I start to lean back towards this being more of a parallel "dream" dimension.
I chose to believe that Charlie is her husband giving her information and that Charlie is an agent in this universe keeping track of the house like he kept track of Audrey in the universe we watched in the Return
side note:
if you lived in that house for real, you would totally remove all ceiling fans, right? I could never have one if I lived there.
I chose to believe that Charlie is her husband giving her information and that Charlie is an agent in this universe keeping track of the house like he kept track of Audrey in the universe we watched in the Return
side note:
if you lived in that house for real, you would totally remove all ceiling fans, right? I could never have one if I lived there.
Heh screw that!!! I'd make it as much as a match of Leylands and Sara's as I could!!!! ?
My thought was that when Cooper was back on the sidewalk, turned around & looked at the ground, he suddenly might've remembered that the Chalfonds/Tremonds were evil (from the Black Lodge). Therefore asking what year it was (are they still supposed to even be here/exist).
Also, now wondering that since Carrie/Laura heard someone that sounded like Sarah calling her name from the house, if Sarah lives there. Is Sarah possibly/maybe a member of the Chalfont or Tremont family? Do we know (or ever learned) her maiden name or who her family was?
These are just my thoughts & theories on this...
I believe they're in approximately 2008 for two reasons. The population sign in Odessa, TX and the newspaper the woman at Judy's had an article about a big local wind farm construction project going on that was real and from that time period.
BTW, anybody notice the signage outside Judy's said: Breakfast, Lunch, Diner (not dinner)?
I chose to believe that Charlie is her husband giving her information and that Charlie is an agent in this universe keeping track of the house like he kept track of Audrey in the universe we watched in the Return
side note:
if you lived in that house for real, you would totally remove all ceiling fans, right? I could never have one if I lived there.
Heh screw that!!! I'd make it as much as a match of Leylands and Sara's as I could!!!! ?
So would I 😉
The Grandmother is Judy
The Grandson is Bob (He Holds the creamed Corn - Garbonzia? Sp Sorry In his hands - Which is Pain & Suffering)
The Grandmother - was originally "The Little Girl who Lived Down the Lane"
Think about it, there are no "Little Girls" in Twin Peaks at all, Laura, Shelley, Audrey, Donna, are all H.S. senior age approx 17-18 The Littlest girl we ever see, is the One who Eats the "Mothfrog" -
Shortly after Laura's Death, Leland Puts on a record and dances with Laura's Picture
Sarah freaks and exclaims "What is Going on in this house???"
Mike Ages, between season 2 and 3, though he was in the FWWM Scene over the convenience store, as was the Grandson. And some OTHER Masked Figure ALSO!
We know Leland was posessed by Bob at a young age up at his grandfathers house on "pearl Lakes" In a dream from the little boy who threw matches at him. (The Grandson)
in FWWM The Grandmother (Chalfont/Tremond) Both names were used, Gives Laura the picture that is the conduit/ entryway to the black lodge, that she enters in a Dream.
While she does appear quite Old in 1989, she is "already Dead" 3 Years when Donna and Cooper investigate her house, But she appears to Laura Days before she Dies in 1989 in FWWM in the Meals on Wheels RR Diner Parking Lot scene.
The Grandson (Masked) Details what BOB is doing in her house, seeking the diary.
So we know the grandson was a host for BOB, until he transitioned into Leland, but the Grandson Does not age, while the Grandmother appears OLDER than she should be for being the Little girl who eats the mothfrog and gets possessed by Judy. It is explained n season 2 that they are both Basically "Ghosts", And are obviously, Black Lodge Entities
In Season 3 Ep 18, The PALMER House is Owned by Alice Tremond, Who BOUGHT IT FROM Mrs. Chalfond (THE GRANDMOTHER!) We also see in Season 3 that SARAH PALMER - Was also Possessed by a Dark Entity/ Inhabiting Spirit, We see in Her revealed Face a Pointy nosed Mask for an instant, She Murders a guy who Hits on her in the bar.
So in the original reality BOTH PALMER PARENTS Get possessed by Inhabiting Spirits. Sarah Palmer is closer to the age in 1989 of how old the "Little Girl Down the Lane" Would be, So either she ate the Mothfrog originally herself, and got possessed by Judy, as a Child, Like Leland, OR The Palmer House was some kind of Locus/Vortex/Coordinate extension of the Black Lodge itself. Recall Evil Dale Asking the Giant (Fireman?) Where is Judy NOW? And we see the PALMER HOUSE, The The Giant Shifts the Scene, And Teleports EVIL DALE, Still Possessed By Bob, To The Twin Peaks Police Station Himself, (A TRAP! Designed to send BOB BAck to the black lodge finally.)
I think Audrey is the Dreamer because she has been in the "Facility" Somewhere since being Saved by Pete Martell In the Bomb Blast. There is something Very Odd about their home and their argument and Her seeming inability to leave her house herself, she is still dreaming when she takes the dance floor, her reality, somehow cracking and we glimpse her face in the mirror. a WHITE ROOM - Audrey is in some kind of Hospital/Psych ward apparently.
I believe CHARLIE is either the GRANDSON - Grown up/ Some Kind of LODGE Entity, (Note the Pointy Nose that is so much like the Masks) - OR That other Crazy Unexplained Lodge Entity with The Mask standing on some kind of riser and stretching his arms out, like some kind of sick ringmaster or ringleader. Audrey Mentions "The Little Girl Down the Lane" and Charlie says "He can END Her story" He has some kind of power over her, and He controls her ability to come and go, So that she is in Some Hospital, and he is feeding on her suffering is consistent with Other lodge Entities, as is His appearance.
In the End, It appears the EVIL, that is Judy and Bob, Has Some association with the Palmer Residence, Even When Laura Survives, and Comes back as Carrie Page, The Chalfonts OWNED that house in this reality where Laura Survived. So the Sinister Evil that found its Way into Leland and Sarah both, Seems to be associated with the house itself. Just as the Boiler room in the Great Northern has Access to the Black Lodge / Spirit Dimension, So Does Laura's room, It's one of those "coordinates"
It seems that the pervasiveness of evil, even Saving Laura Palmer 25 Years in the Past, and Exorcising Bob Back to The Black Lodge, Did not undo Judy's Evil, In the Alternate reality where Laura Survives as Carrie. She Remembers that (Her mom was Possessed also? Inhabited By Judy??) Regardless Her Cry has Telekenetic Properties, ALL THE LIGHTS GO OUT, Indicating, (Laura though SAVED By Dale from ever Being Killed by Bob - Has Gone Through the Lodges / Black /White - and Carrie Page is now some kind of Reincarnated Version of Laura Palmer, Not a Tulpa like Diane or or A doppelganger like Evil Cooper, but like the GOOD cooper re-embodied through "Electricity" - Her heightened emotional state, obviously had some "Electrical consequences". My best Take on it all.
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