Why is this Extreme.Negative.Force, "Jow-Dae" aka JUDY, depicted as a Monkey? Or why did Lynch make us associate this Entity, an E.N.F, with a monkey?
Why is this Extreme.Negative.Force, "Jow-Dae" aka JUDY, depicted as a Monkey?...
--! Nice - Yes, that's right, in "Fire," we saw the monkey face you posted, and Jeffries' voice was faintly heard saying, "Judy."-- I hadn't thought of that. I've seen "Fire" several times, and I hadn't thought we were supposed to literally connect Jeffries saying "Judy" to the image of the monkey face - there were several creepy images in that sequence as I recall. But I suppose that's possible.
Before your post, I had supposed that the "entity" Cole told the story about was what had been credited as The Experiment in The Return - In the first episode, it was the thing that came out of the box and ate the faces of the young lovers, and then in episode 8 it was floating in space, spewing the matter that contained the Bob egg. We got a vague idea of what it's face was like, and it didn't seem monkey-like. Maybe that was too much of an attempt to connect the dots - but when Cole brought up an entity, I jumped to the conclusion it was the creature we'd seen in this series.
--Maybe it's a slight glitch in continuity? The "room above the convenience store" as we see it in "Fire" doesn't look anything like what we saw in The Return. And those prototype Woodsmen are only vaguely like the same Woodsmen we see in The Return - as examples of imagery changing a bit.
So is "Jow Dai" from real lore or invented for our story? I couldn't google anything on it.. I expected Cole to call the ancient evil "Bathomet" but, hey, Jow Dai's cool too.
lol yeah I was ready to hear him call out Satan.
Maybe its symbolic of our departure from the animal kingdom. A human can choose good vs evil. The defining moment between us and our primate ancestors is when we became able to choose good vs evil. Thus, Judy is borne.
Why is this Extreme.Negative.Force, "Jow-Dae" aka JUDY, depicted as a Monkey?...
--! Nice - Yes, that's right, in "Fire," we saw the monkey face you posted, and Jeffries' voice was faintly heard saying, "Judy."-- I hadn't thought of that. I've seen "Fire" several times, and I hadn't thought we were supposed to literally connect Jeffries saying "Judy" to the image of the monkey face - there were several creepy images in that sequence as I recall. But I suppose that's possible.
Before your post, I had supposed that the "entity" Cole told the story about was what had been credited as The Experiment in The Return - In the first episode, it was the thing that came out of the box and ate the faces of the young lovers, and then in episode 8 it was floating in space, spewing the matter that contained the Bob egg. We got a vague idea of what it's face was like, and it didn't seem monkey-like. Maybe that was too much of an attempt to connect the dots - but when Cole brought up an entity, I jumped to the conclusion it was the creature we'd seen in this series.
--Maybe it's a slight glitch in continuity? The "room above the convenience store" as we see it in "Fire" doesn't look anything like what we saw in The Return. And those prototype Woodsmen are only vaguely like the same Woodsmen we see in The Return - as examples of imagery changing a bit.
I didnt take the monkey images as Lynch telling us Judy was a monkey, I highly doubt that. And this Entity IS probably the same as the Experiment face slasher. But im wondering, why did he have us associate this Extreme Negative Force with monkeys?
The arm evolved beyond recognition (sadly, I much preferred the original arm) so it's easy to swallow the convenience store and monkey morphing into an entirely new form as well.
However, I don't think the experiment is jao dé
I think there is nothing more to it, than that it is the cafename gone trough the dream and mixed into a bullshit-story.
I think there is nothing more to it, than that it is the cafename gone trough the dream and mixed into a bullshit-story.
Nah, never that with David Lynch. This guy puts his philosophical-spiritual beliefs in his work. There are a few main underlying stories here in TP.
I think Judy is the Experiment/Mother, hence Mr C having met but not knowing her.
I think she may also be what was inside Sarah Palmer but I reckon that's less likely.
However, I don't think the experiment is jao dé
---really - So there are two powerful, evil entities in the story?-- We've seen The Experiment kill the couple in the opening episode, and give birth to Bob in ep. 8 - but in 18 episodes we've never seen Jow Dai in action--? hmmm - weeeeeak.
So is Judy then inside Sarah Palmer and is the girl from 1956 Sarah Palmer with the moth bug inside her creating the Judy/experiment/mother inside Sarah Palmer?
So is Judy then inside Sarah Palmer and is the girl from 1956 Sarah Palmer with the moth bug inside her creating the Judy/experiment/mother inside Sarah Palmer?
Hasn't been confirmed, but . . . Judy being Experiment/Mother seems likely and is the most plausible, IMO. As for Sarah, I think she likely swallowed a moth-frog, but who knows. Her reaction after Laura was drawn away from being killed by Coop could be more evidence that she is inhabited by Judy. It was a definite mind-pretzel. No end to the speculation and theorizing.
As shown by Jeffries, Judy is 'that thing you never want to find out about', from Hawks map, the owl cave symbol that turns into infinity, the thing you can never get rid of, death as life not fit for dreams, the 'sick life' vomiting BOB/truckdrivers, etc., the disconnect of life from dreams, while you have to dream nonetheless(woods turning into red curtain, home/natural life destroyed, goes into the Julie Cruise song). Since you can never get rid of it, Judy is not simply something bad, that can be defeated once and for all, when you try this, you are stuck in the sick life completely, and this is exactly what happened to Agent Cooper when he attempted to just fix everything factually, complete disaster that ignores dreams, the infinite presence of the pain that was just 'smoothed over' and tried to forget it.
Agent Cooper and Mr. C had the same quest, to erase the past, the pain and destruction of dreams which drove him mad after he went to Twin Peaks and tried to realize his dreams. Its not about destroying Judy, we get the 'infinite' sign here, cannot be destroyed, thus Agent Cooper must go into Judy's cafe and confront the problems he was trying to eliminate 'factually', must appropriate the negative reaction that Mr. C embodied in a wild automatic way, its about his negative reaction to the destruction of his dreams in the face of blind and stupid natural life which is not fit for these dreams, like in Judy's cafe, the truck drivers, the evil in Twin Peaks which is stronger than ever. This was the happy ending, Agent Cooper came back and 'fixed' everything factually, he became the 'dreamer that existed', saved Laura Palmer from death, restored Diane's vitality and even tried to be in love with her, BOB dead, Mr. C and negativity destroyed, then living factual life.....in Odessa, Texas. Judy is not something to be fought, or appropriated as Mr. C was trying to do, this is a hiding and defense reaction to the trauma and destruction of dreams, injustice, etc. that was the horror of Twin Peaks, an attempt to make everything alright, and like it was before Agent Cooper entered Twin Peaks. There is no way out of Judy, and the secret is overcoming immanent to the negativity, using the negative reaction in relation to the stupid life that just goes on without dreams or even recognizing the problems. Thus Agent Cooper and Diane failed because of the rape and hatred right under the surface never dealt with, Laura tried to go on and say 'I was young, it wasnt my fault' and just live her life, and now Twin Peaks, that world built on the pain of lost dreams disappears(Sarah is gone) because the negative reactions to this unjust life are gone, trying to forget dreams/negativity/in-existence and hide in existence.....If you want Twin Peaks back, there is no easy salvation via Dougie, no guaranteed easy answers, problems are still there, who is going to deal with them?
Judy, the force of negativity needs to be appropriated by Cooper, if we want to dream about Twin Peaks properly, this is what the return is about, what is truly evil is killing the dream and living on in disgusting filth of life without dreams, this is Odessa, Texas, convenience motel, 'viva las vegas'. No one is taking care of the dreams, its up to Cooper properly stand up here, with all the seriousness to the tragedy that happened, no way to get rid of Judy or the trauma here, this attempt is the biggest evil, animal life. Once Mr. C(on the left hand) is caged by the fireman in the theater, with Major Briggs' head watching over the right hand, we see a huge factory floor filled with those 'electricity bells'(like the one that shocked Naido in the purple room), and we saw Mr. C burning brightly but trapped in the red room....Judy must be the source of energy for Agent Cooper proper, giving dignity to Twin Peaks and its tragedy, standing negatively in reaction to it; and its not party time here Dougie style, it was horror that happened, and its not going to be alright....Mr. C's quest failed, he was trying to appropriate Judy, which is a non-existent negative reaction to the filth of life without dreams(as epitomized by the 'truck driver' at Judy's cafe, where Laura now works, still hiding from the problems, saved by 1989 Cooper); but old Agent Cooper/Dougie had the same goal, to try and factually appropriate the source of energy, change the past so it would not be there, something like a 'once and for all' fix that would erase the pain that drove Cooper mad, and he was going into the past to try to hide from his duty and hide from the traumatic impact of the horror of Twin Peaks, and that the world and life is not fit for even the most basic dreams of community, justice, love, etc; Cooper was trying to play 'eraserhead' here and episode 18, odessa, Texas is the result, problems untouched and stronger than ever......
But now Cooper has properly returned and has that factory of electricity bells in the theater as his source of energy, with major briggs watching over the right hand(caging Mr. C), Cooper has appropriated Judy and returned to the original traumas and injustice of Twin Peaks, things are just getting interesting...a new season would be great, I would love to see it....
Why is this Extreme.Negative.Force, "Jow-Dae" aka JUDY, depicted as a Monkey?...
--! Nice - Yes, that's right, in "Fire," we saw the monkey face you posted, and Jeffries' voice was faintly heard saying, "Judy."-- I hadn't thought of that. I've seen "Fire" several times, and I hadn't thought we were supposed to literally connect Jeffries saying "Judy" to the image of the monkey face - there were several creepy images in that sequence as I recall. But I suppose that's possible.
Before your post, I had supposed that the "entity" Cole told the story about was what had been credited as The Experiment in The Return - In the first episode, it was the thing that came out of the box and ate the faces of the young lovers, and then in episode 8 it was floating in space, spewing the matter that contained the Bob egg. We got a vague idea of what it's face was like, and it didn't seem monkey-like. Maybe that was too much of an attempt to connect the dots - but when Cole brought up an entity, I jumped to the conclusion it was the creature we'd seen in this series.
--Maybe it's a slight glitch in continuity? The "room above the convenience store" as we see it in "Fire" doesn't look anything like what we saw in The Return. And those prototype Woodsmen are only vaguely like the same Woodsmen we see in The Return - as examples of imagery changing a bit.
Seems maybe like the monkey is supposed to represent Jeffries rather than Judy, since it says Judy in his voice. I too thought the monkey was supposed to represent Judy at first, but this makes more "sense" in that maybe Jeffries is to the Experiment as a monkey in a cage is to a laboratory experiment.
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