In FWWM Jeffries states he was at a meeting at the convenience store and we are shown the meeting. Now these could be 2 different meetings but considering Jeffries recall of it and the meeting itself are shown at the same time it's reasonable to assume he was talking about that meeting. But we see everyone, seemingly, at that meeting. Where is Jeffries? The camera shots are not shown from one perspective. I don't think we are supposed to think we are seeing through Jeffries eyes at the meeting. Maybewe are, but I don't think so. If not then who is Jeffries at this meeting? The Jumping Man is there. In fact, unless my memory fails me, this is only one of 2 times the Jumping Man appears. Outside the the grandson playing at being the Jumping Man, and the grandson is shown at the meetingwith the Jumping Man, the only other time the Jumping Man is seen is when Cooper goes to visit Jeffries in Part 17. Is Jeffries the Jumping Man? I don't know. I don't think so. But at the very least they seem to be closely related, perhaps working together. The only other scene where they aren't shown close together is Jeffries meeting with Mr. C.
Nice! I agree completely!
And beat you to it http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/jeffries-coop-and-the-jumping-man/
Jeffriess is there as a dreamer. That's why he say "we live inside a dream". He see things same way Cooper in background at Sheriff Station.
Nice! I agree completely!
And beat you to it http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/jeffries-coop-and-the-jumping-man/
Sorry, I messed this post. Very good.
But have you realised that in FWWM. Grandson have this mask when he speak to Laura ? It is about her father...Second time it's same, her father is going and he is jumping with mask. Leland is a man with mask.
In season 3, we see in one scene Sarah Palmer face in this mask.
Jeffriess is there as a dreamer. That's why he say "we live inside a dream". He see things same way Cooper in background at Sheriff Station.
This isn't right in my opinion. When Jeffries says 'We live inside a dream." the context of it is his description of the meeting in the store and the people there. He is referring to the people of the Black Lodge, not we who are in the FBI station. We, those in the Lodges, live inside a dream. I believe this is the same thing Cooper is saying in Part 17.
But have you realised that in FWWM. Grandson have this mask when he speak to Laura ? It is about her father...Second time it's same, her father is going and he is jumping with mask. Leland is a man with mask.
In season 3, we see in one scene Sarah Palmer face in this mask.
The grandson also has a slingshot like the Jumping Man but both appear as separate beings in the convenience store. I think the grandson is just emulating or playing around, not the Jumping Man. Or, if the Jumping Man is good then the grandson is the bad version of the Jumping Man and performs the same function, whatever that is. Maybe the Jumping man and grandson are doppelgangers?
As far as Sarah in Season 3 she removes her face at one point but that is not like the Jumping Man's mask.
I completly misunderstad your point. I wrote you as it is, withouot any fan theory or interpretation. I mean my second post, first is theory which still I am on it.
And about my first post and your reply, I think the same but another way. I think Coop is still in Back Lodge, thats why I completly agree. We live inside a dream is about Black Lodge dreamer.
I completly misunderstad your point. I wrote you as it is, withouot any fan theory or interpretation. I mean my second post, first is theory which still I am on it.
And about my first post and your reply, I think the same but another way. I think Coop is still in Back Lodge, thats why I completly agree. We live inside a dream is about Black Lodge dreamer.
I don't think anybody is dreaming. Rather that the Lodges are a dream world that communication passes between there and hear through dreams. So, to the entities in the lodge we appear in dreams to them and the same for us with the lodges. But both actually exist. They aren't someone's dream. I think at Part 17 sheriff station part of Cooper is still in the black lodge. He doesn't truly, completely exit till after he leaves the Red Room for the last time in Part 18. My ideas here:
If you look closesly to your link, I am the one who aswered there twice...and even give you a like...
I am not in mod to discuss now dreaming theories. I just wrote mine here, on a second page:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-17-part-18/if-its-not-a-dream/paged/2/
I am here to tell you 3 facts:
1) Grandson have mask only for reason to say something like that I will take it from memory "a man with the mask is looking for your diary". THAT ALL. Mask mean Leland have Bob inside him.
2) Second time he dancing when man with the mask - Leland walked THAT ALL
3) In season 3 we see Jumping Man and his face changed to Sarah Palmer. When we see him first time. THAT ALL
Live with that facts 🙂 Don't ignore them.
I'm sorry. I'm just trying to udnerstand.
3) In season 3 we see Jumping Man and his face changed to Sarah Palmer. When we see him first time. THAT ALL
When did this happen? I mean what episode? Part 17 when Cooper is going to see Jeffries?
As far as 1st 2, yes Bob is described as wearing a mask by possessing Leland. But I don't see the direct connection to the Jumping Man. Who actually doesn't wear a mask, it's make up. His face is actually all white and his nose is long. The grandson has a mask while playing around, the Jumping Man doesn't.
Here you go:
http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-15/jumping-man-sarah-palmer/
About FWWM, I intervented because you was writing about grandson mask. There wasn't never any other meaning than Leland. It cannot be "if the Jumping Man is good then the grandson is the bad version of the Jumping Man and performs the same function". There is no place fot that. Now you wrote it right, it have no connection. It only connect if you get it as symbol. There is fan theory comming. If mask mean someone is false. We can surely say, all four beings we know, sitting at the meeting is false, they wear masks. But only as a symbol what granson shown us.
Thanks for that link about Sarah's face and the jumping man. I didn't know. I certainly agree that looks like her face but it also looks like there may be a number of faces show up. Many are blurred but the shape of the faces vary with some not like Sarah or the Jumping man.
But even if it is only Sarah, this doesn't negate my idea that the grandson is a bad version of the jumping man. I'm of the opinion that since it is a Tremond who owns the house, bought from a Chalfont, in the Carrie Page Universe that Mrs. Tremond/Chalfont of the original series is Judy. Perhaps that is her grandson, grown up, that appears in Episode 15 as the jumping man? Perhaps it is he who is controlling/possessing Sarah Palmer in Season 3? It would make sense he, as bad Jumping Man, shows up when bad cooper arrives and the other shows up when Good Cooper arrives.
It's just speculation. Maybe the Jumping Man just controls the electricity or something.
As you want, but it is completly fan fiction. I wrote you what meaned this mask 25 years ago in FWWM. If someone else belive that - ok, I am out of telling you what that mean any longer.
As you want, but it is completly fan fiction. I wrote you what meaned this mask 25 years ago in FWWM. If someone else belive that - ok, I am out of telling you what that mean any longer.
Okay, but I'm sorry, I still don't understand and I'm not trying to be stubborn here. Is your meaning that those characters at the store, who are not in masks there, means they have had a mask, a person they possess, all along? That the Sarah has been the Jumping Man's mask the whole time? Or just that when it's shown in Part 15? I get your point about the grandson showing about masks and what that means. But does that mean those people, who are the masks for the bad entities, have always been a mask? Even Leland wasn't possessed by Bob as a small child.
It's okay if you don't answer. But whatever it is you are saying is obvious isn't obvious to me. Sorry.
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