cooper is an intelligent FBI agent .. so why are we going to the past to save Laura Palmer?? I mean Cooper has to know that by doing so it can screw up a lot of things in other people's lives (butterfly effect).. so why are we doing this??
Look I get she shouldn't have died but a lot of things shouldn't have happened .. I guess I just don't understand coopers logic in all of this ..
help me out here I'm so lost
I think in his mind it is the key to defeating Judy - the inherent evil not so much about changing history... but the change to history and the unexpected consequences to the future hit him head on. Is he smart enough where you would think he would see it coming? Yep! Was he possibly at a logic deficit place with blinders on with the main focus of defeating evil? Likely?
Maybe by killing off his "darker half" he is lacking some of the cynicism and "the world is unfair" mentality that he needs. He's just being good, happy go lucky, pure as a freshly fallen snow SA Dale Cooper intent on saving everybody but failing to see the ugly consequences of his actions.
Just a theory early in it's birth. Go easy on me.
It's pretty much impossible for any of us to fully understand why because he has knowledge we don't. It's almost like a cat trying to figure out why a human is driving a car.
He's been in contact with entities beyond our comprehension..
But, if I was guessing, he is doing two things.
1) Trying to keep Laura alive as she is clearly the key to defeating Judy in this realm.
2) A lot of terrible things happened in Twin Peaks after Laura's death and a lot of lives were ruined. Now we can presume BOB is gone, as he won't be tied to a particular timeline so must be presumed to be permanently vanquished, stopping Laura's death prevents a lot of lives going downhill rapidly. It's a positive change, mostly.
He's not on a version of that timeline he screwed up at the end. He's in a completely different timeline he traveled to. An parallel universe.
I think in his mind it is the key to defeating Judy - the inherent evil not so much about changing history... but the change to history and the unexpected consequences to the future hit him head on. Is he smart enough where you would think he would see it coming? Yep! Was he possibly at a logic deficit place with blinders on with the main focus of defeating evil? Likely?
Ok that's as good I will take it!!
Maybe he thought he had a special dispensation, since the Fireman seemed willing to help. The trouble is, all these supernatural beings will tell you a story, just not the whole story.
I believe the story is as much about Cooper's overconfidence and "can do" mentality as much as anything. It messed things up the last time, and this time it's even worse.
What's the quote about insanity? Best I can remember is "Insanity is doing the same things again and again and expecting a different outcome". Maybe that's it; Cooper is totally bugfuck. I don't believe that but I do think he's way too trusting and way too confident for his own good.
"Bugfucked." The greatest and most useful term I have heard on this forum to date.
I think Cooper would have been the first person to explain to anyone (for example imagine him telling Andy) why it wasn't a good idea to go back & change things - however much it may appear like the right thing to do.
Which is why there was something (deliberately?) off about that whole bit. FWIW, I wasn't 'disappointed' at Cooper as I was never a huge fan of the hero boy scout personality...
But that points to the Cooper of part 18 being a somewhat diminished form going through the motions, while the 'real' version lives it up in LV.
Or they're all just threads of daydream in a humdrum life - or some variation of those...
Maybe he thought he had a special dispensation, since the Fireman seemed willing to help. The trouble is, all these supernatural beings will tell you a story, just not the whole story.
I believe the story is as much about Cooper's overconfidence and "can do" mentality as much as anything. It messed things up the last time, and this time it's even worse.
What's the quote about insanity? Best I can remember is "Insanity is doing the same things again and again and expecting a different outcome". Maybe that's it; Cooper is totally bugfuck. I don't believe that but I do think he's way too trusting and way too confident for his own good.
bugfuck lmfao that's awesome but I do agree with you especially the way to confident and trusting part .. 10000%
This makes me think of the ending of the Dark Tower series, which IMHO is the greatest ending to a series ever.
"The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed"
It's been a while so forgive me if I get it wrong. The last line of A Scanner, Darkly:
"I think I can get it together if I can have just one more hit."
Something about that resonates with me, regarding Cooper and his constant failure to get it right.
"This has been a story about people who were punished entirely too much for what they did."
The credits of A Scanner Darkly.
Cooper didn't go back in time.... Richard dreamed he did as Cooper to save Laura.
cooper is an intelligent FBI agent .. so why are we going to the past to save Laura Palmer?? I mean Cooper has to know that by doing so it can screw up a lot of things in other people's lives (butterfly effect).. so why are we doing this??
Look I get she shouldn't have died but a lot of things shouldn't have happened .. I guess I just don't understand coopers logic in all of this ..
help me out here I'm so lost
Agent Cooper and Mr. C had the same quest, to erase the past, the pain and destruction of dreams which drove him mad after he went to Twin Peaks and tried to realize his dreams. Its not about destroying Judy, we get the 'infinite' sign here, cannot be destroyed, thus Agent Cooper must go into Judy's cafe and confront the problems he was trying to eliminate 'factually', must appropriate the negative reaction that Mr. C embodied in a wild automatic way, its about his negative reaction to the destruction of his dreams in the face of blind and stupid natural life which is not fit for these dreams, like in Judy's cafe, the truck drivers, the evil in Twin Peaks which is stronger than ever. This was the happy ending, Agent Cooper came back and 'fixed' everything factually, he became the 'dreamer that existed', saved Laura Palmer from death, restored Diane's vitality and even tried to be in love with her, BOB dead, Mr. C and negativity destroyed, then living factual life.....in Odessa, Texas. Judy is not something to be fought, or appropriated as Mr. C was trying to do, this is a hiding and defense reaction to the trauma and destruction of dreams, injustice, etc. that was the horror of Twin Peaks, an attempt to make everything alright, and like it was before Agent Cooper entered Twin Peaks. There is no way out of Judy, and the secret is overcoming immanent to the negativity, using the negative reaction in relation to the stupid life that just goes on without dreams or even recognizing the problems. Thus Agent Cooper and Diane failed because of the rape and hatred right under the surface never dealt with, Laura tried to go on and say 'I was young, it wasnt my fault' and just live her life, and now Twin Peaks, that world built on the pain of lost dreams disappears(Sarah is gone) because the negative reactions to this unjust life are gone, trying to forget dreams/negativity/in-existence and hide in existence.....If you want Twin Peaks back, there is no easy salvation via Dougie, no guaranteed easy answers, problems are still there, who is going to deal with them?
Judy, the force of negativity needs to be appropriated by Cooper, if we want to dream about Twin Peaks properly, this is what the return is about, what is truly evil is killing the dream and living on in disgusting filth of life without dreams, this is Odessa, Texas, convenience motel, 'viva las vegas'. No one is taking care of the dreams, its up to Cooper properly stand up here, with all the seriousness to the tragedy that happened, no way to get rid of Judy or the trauma here, this attempt is the biggest evil, animal life. Once Mr. C(on the left hand) is caged by the fireman in the theater, with Major Briggs' head watching over the right hand, we see a huge factory floor filled with those 'electricity bells'(like the one that shocked Naido in the purple room), and we saw Mr. C burning brightly but trapped in the red room....Judy must be the source of energy for Agent Cooper proper, giving dignity to Twin Peaks and its tragedy, standing negatively in reaction to it; and its not party time here Dougie style, it was horror that happened, and its not going to be alright....Mr. C's quest failed, he was trying to appropriate Judy, which is a non-existent negative reaction to the filth of life without dreams(as epitomized by the 'truck driver' at Judy's cafe, where Laura now works, still hiding from the problems, saved by 1989 Cooper); but old Agent Cooper/Dougie had the same goal, to try and factually appropriate the source of energy, change the past so it would not be there, something like a 'once and for all' fix that would erase the pain that drove Cooper mad, and he was going into the past to try to hide from his duty and hide from the traumatic impact of the horror of Twin Peaks, and that the world and life is not fit for even the most basic dreams of community, justice, love, etc; Cooper was trying to play 'eraserhead' here and episode 18, odessa, Texas is the result, problems untouched and stronger than ever......
But now Cooper has properly returned and has that factory of electricity bells in the theater as his source of energy, with major briggs watching over the right hand(caging Mr. C), Cooper has appropriated Judy and returned to the original traumas and injustice of Twin Peaks, things are just getting interesting...a new season would be great, I would love to see it....
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