Yes, there does seems to be a lot of people disappointed in the end of this season but I'd like to talk about disappointments I have with the return in regards to entertainment.
1) I really missed the actor playing the ARM. He made the earlier seasons great. Yes, the evolution into a tree with a head is fun too but considering all the talk of electricity couldn't we at least have had Christmas Lights on it or something?
2) Tammy Preston. Did she bring anything at all to the show other than the way she walks and giving sexually suggestive looks to Cole when he talks of his sexual prowess and proclivities? Speaking of her walk, every time she did it all I thought about was the woman skin the aliens used in Mars Attacks. That is about how much personality Tammy had. Great acting Chrysta Bell. Thanks.
3) The people of Twin Peaks outside the Sheriff's Station getting minimal time and minimal relation to what is happening this season. Yes, that was the conventional/soap opera part of the original show but they were entertaining. Now we get to see Ed/Norma FINALLY get together. Yippee! Of course they are as old as dirt now so what's the point, but they did. Shelly still loves herself some abusive drug dealers and raised a daughter that does too. Hooray! Golden Shovels? A whole store of Norma's drape runners? Everybody is still at the diner. EVERYBODY. Did any of these people do anything new during the last 25 years?
4) Useless celebrity cameos. How much time was wasted on this? All of Ashley Judd's scenes could have hit the cutting room floor and no one would notice. Michael Cena/Wally Brando. Seriously? This was mildly funny at best. Monica Belucci? Wouldn't her bit have played better coming from someone related to the story? So many bands.
5) Did anyone want to spend that much time in The Roadhouse listening to advertisements for Lynch's favorite bands? Wouldn't it have been better to show what happened rather than have it as dialogue delivered by mostly nameless people?
Anyway, that is some of my disappointments. Anyone else wish something was different other than the story/end?
Ok, I was ready to throw down when I started reading, buuuuuut, I kind of can't disagree with a lot of your points (not all). I loved the show. LOVED IT! Still kind of hate the end, but for reasons other than saying "it was stupid." You'll have to read all the convos on "art" for that explanation.
1. Michael Anderson seems to have gone completely nuts and there was no reckoning between him and Lynch. Anderson has said some seriously horrid things. Whether it was for spite and revenge or because of mental illness issues, I do not know. But I would rather see something like the tree over them trying to recast him. The same with the Sheriff Trumans; I'd rather have a different, Frank Truman, than a new Harry Truman.
2. 1000000000% agree with you about Tammy. I have not made a secret of my disdain for her.
3. I could have used more TP interaction myself. But I think that might have made the ending all that much more painful. Sometimes I wonder why we saw anybody outside of the sheriff's station at all since in the end, the just disappeared.
4. I was entertain by the cameos, but they did seem a bit useless to me as well. I like to think that they were all die hard TP fans who begged for a spot in the show. "We'll do it for free. Hell Lynch, WE WILL PAY YOU!"
5. Was a bit much on the bands but I think there was more purpose there than to just showcase Lynch's faves. I could be wrong on that. But when Julee Cruze got such a short bit, it became very obvious just how long every one of those other acts were.
6. For me, toooooo much long driving. I clearly just do not have the patience or focus for it. I understand a lot of the purpose for it. But I think these scenes mostly just went too long and too far. I would have rather watched another band at the roadhouse.
That's my beef...the ending is what it was...some love it some hate it...but the amount of wasted screen time emphasizing scenes that, in the end, amounted to nothing.
Dr Amps golden shovels and talk show, Audrey, Becky and Stephen, Norma and her business associate, long gibberish Roadhouse conversations, Red, Naomi Judd, Trumans wife, the schoolteachers letter to Truman, music performances etc...
Just kind of frustrating when you have limited time and it's used for things that don't matter.
I actually liked Tammy. I'm not saying it was a sensational acting performance, but I didn't think it was bad, and she brought a quirky, sorta spicy new dynamic to the FBI team. And I'm a straight woman, so it's not watching her ass that I liked - I really just thought she had a certain something... and found the dirty-old-man angle mildly amusing. Most of all, she brought some new blood to the team, which is both realistic and needed after all these years. (Very sadly, on the off chance this continues, Albert will no longer be with them... so it'll be good to have another holdover along with Cole.)
As for all the irrelevant townsfolk storylines and celebrity stuff - some were better than others. I really enjoyed the Jerry Horne and "Dr. Amp" digressions. Didn't get much out of the Becky/Stephen story, especially since it didn't go anywhere. Beverly/Ashley Judd was fairly pointless, especially the bit with her husband. Can't say I exactly "enjoyed" the Wally Brando thing, but I do think he's the exact son Andy and Lucy would have.
But the bottom line is, that's the luxury of having 18 hours. I didn't love all of it, but I really don't think it "stole time" from more relevant stories. Lynch/Frost had time to do everything they could've possibly wanted, and more. If they'd subtracted Wally Brando, it wouldn't have meant more Coop.
But thanks for this thread, by the way. Commenting on something besides the finale has put me in a better mood!
First, (notice I LIKED your post), precisely how old is dirt?
The point, since you asked, is that a story of Ed and Norma is one of the things that was on my wish list before this ever started. My wish didn't come true, however, given a small share of Dougie walking time, my mind goes wild with the script options Mark Frost surely had ready in the offing were it meant to be. The chemistry alone between Ed and Norma would have added enormously to the entertainment factor which I agree is sorely missing this time around. Yes, their (keyword being little) little scene was satisfying in a cursory way, it really amounted to little more than a debt paid to the loyal fans. No interest. Please be more thoughtful before throwing around ageist statements when qualifying the value of actors and storylines, as though you yourself will one day not be my age, 57. Or theirs, even older. Here's a secret: life kinda begins just around the corner.
I whole heartedly agree with you about the bands, though I was introduced to some of them for the first time, and found them to be enjoyable. What I really wished for was something beyond just watching a crowd of Studio City extras (all USC or Berkeley film students, no doubt), swaying and dancing...could have just been the one take repeated for each band exercise. The Roadhouse used to be a place of plot development. Now, it's just a jukebox.
@ Zack Sisson: your mention of Truman's wife rekindled a forgotten feeling. I wished like hell there'd be some development there--her acting was off the chart. What would the story have been! And Deputy Jesse? His new model 200? car; man, where was that mystery headed? And I could kill to learn more of ranting woman and barfing kid in the traffic jam?
Seems like a lot of Lynch, and not so much Frost.
Thanks for the like and it's just an expression. Dirt is really old I guess. I'm in my 50's too. It's not that I didn't want to see Ed and Norma, I did. It's that they were just used to wrap up their old story line I guess. I mean they were already apart over 20 years in 1989. After 25 more they are finally getting together? Just seems a waste. The actors are great. I'd rather have seen them together awhile and given some new drama. Heck Ed had zero to do with the main plot despite being in the Bookhouse Boys A real waste there.
First, (notice I LIKED your post), precisely how old is dirt?
The point, since you asked, is that a story of Ed and Norma is one of the things that was on my wish list before this ever started. My wish didn't come true, however, given a small share of Dougie walking time, my mind goes wild with the script options Mark Frost surely had ready in the offing were it meant to be. The chemistry alone between Ed and Norma would have added enormously to the entertainment factor which I agree is sorely missing this time around. Yes, their (keyword being little) little scene was satisfying in a cursory way, it really amounted to little more than a debt paid to the loyal fans. No interest. Please be more thoughtful before throwing around ageist statements when qualifying the value of actors and storylines, as though you yourself will one day not be my age, 57. Or theirs, even older. Here's a secret: life kinda begins just around the corner.
I whole heartedly agree with you about the bands, though I was introduced to some of them for the first time, and found them to be enjoyable. What I really wished for was something beyond just watching a crowd of Studio City extras (all USC or Berkeley film students, no doubt), swaying and dancing...could have just been the one take repeated for each band exercise. The Roadhouse used to be a place of plot development. Now, it's just a jukebox.
@ Zack Sisson: your mention of Truman's wife rekindled a forgotten feeling. I wished like hell there'd be some development there--her acting was off the chart. What would the story have been! And Deputy Jesse? His new model 200? car; man, where was that mystery headed? And I could kill to learn more of ranting woman and barfing kid in the traffic jam?
Seems like a lot of Lynch, and not so much Frost.
I've been wondering about Jessie. Was it his day off when the Final Boss fight went down?
Additionally, I would like to know about the crawling, screaming girl.
Was the Roadhouse just a depiction of "Invitation to Love" as some people have mentioned?
First, (notice I LIKED your post), precisely how old is dirt?
The point, since you asked, is that a story of Ed and Norma is one of the things that was on my wish list before this ever started. My wish didn't come true, however, given a small share of Dougie walking time, my mind goes wild with the script options Mark Frost surely had ready in the offing were it meant to be. The chemistry alone between Ed and Norma would have added enormously to the entertainment factor which I agree is sorely missing this time around. Yes, their (keyword being little) little scene was satisfying in a cursory way, it really amounted to little more than a debt paid to the loyal fans. No interest. Please be more thoughtful before throwing around ageist statements when qualifying the value of actors and storylines, as though you yourself will one day not be my age, 57. Or theirs, even older. Here's a secret: life kinda begins just around the corner.
I whole heartedly agree with you about the bands, though I was introduced to some of them for the first time, and found them to be enjoyable. What I really wished for was something beyond just watching a crowd of Studio City extras (all USC or Berkeley film students, no doubt), swaying and dancing...could have just been the one take repeated for each band exercise. The Roadhouse used to be a place of plot development. Now, it's just a jukebox.
@ Zack Sisson: your mention of Truman's wife rekindled a forgotten feeling. I wished like hell there'd be some development there--her acting was off the chart. What would the story have been! And Deputy Jesse? His new model 200? car; man, where was that mystery headed? And I could kill to learn more of ranting woman and barfing kid in the traffic jam?
Seems like a lot of Lynch, and not so much Frost.
I've been wondering about Jessie. Was it his day off when the Final Boss fight went down?
Additionally, I would like to know about the crawling, screaming girl.
Was the Roadhouse just a depiction of "Invitation to Love" as some people have mentioned?
Invitation to Love? Darn, I miss a lot.
One more. Very end of 17: Andy says something like "I've got to get you all upstairs." I think I can figure out why he left Chad in handcuffs in the basement. But also left behind was Guy-who-lost-the-knife-fight drooling blood on the floor. Why? Is he even there? Is he only visible to Chad?
Well, off-topic, but it is another plot in waiting.
Invitation to Love? Darn, I miss a lot.
One more. Very end of 17: Andy says something like "I've got to get you all upstairs." I think I can figure out why he left Chad in handcuffs in the basement. But also left behind was Guy-who-lost-the-knife-fight drooling blood on the floor. Why? Is he even there? Is he only visible to Chad?
Well, off-topic, but it is another plot in waiting.
Invitation to Love was the soap opera that played in the background periodically through the first seasons. Wasn't important (IMHO) and never really understood the point of it.
Invitation to Love? Darn, I miss a lot.
One more. Very end of 17: Andy says something like "I've got to get you all upstairs." I think I can figure out why he left Chad in handcuffs in the basement. But also left behind was Guy-who-lost-the-knife-fight drooling blood on the floor. Why? Is he even there? Is he only visible to Chad?
Well, off-topic, but it is another plot in waiting.
Invitation to Love was the soap opera that played in the background periodically through the first seasons. Wasn't important (IMHO) and never really understood the point of it.
Oh, right, I recall ITL perfectly. Nasty business. Chet, Jade, and those other freaks; back in the day they actually had a small following, remember that? Wrapped In Plastic had a lot to say. I always thought it was recycled stuff from Mark Frost's undergraduate time when he was supposed to be studying.
Shelly was hooked on it. She only made it through the 11th grade.
(I originally meant I must have missed another entertaining post, as usual.)
Thanks for the like and it's just an expression. Dirt is really old I guess. I'm in my 50's too. It's not that I didn't want to see Ed and Norma, I did. It's that they were just used to wrap up their old story line I guess. I mean they were already apart over 20 years in 1989. After 25 more they are finally getting together? Just seems a waste. The actors are great. I'd rather have seen them together awhile and given some new drama. Heck Ed had zero to do with the main plot despite being in the Bookhouse Boys A real waste there.
Appreciate the clarification.
Related, somewhat, to what you're driving at, I sense a lot of angst in folks (and some in myself, if I am to avoid projecting) is drawn from a long-anticipated arrival (showdown) in Twin Peaks proper, with the possibility of reunions, old familiar faces, shenanigans and hi-jinks. Instead, we had a sort of contrived sheriff's station gathering where, arguably, Freddie was the star attraction, and poof! Twin Peaks out. Back to the vague, gelatinous nebula of whatever followed Agent Cooper's good-bye wave.
I just think, as if it hasn't been said better many times over, a large audience segment wanted more of the old TP than was to be had. Some of the cameos were in some sense gratuitous.
Ok, I was ready to throw down when I started reading, buuuuuut, I kind of can't disagree with a lot of your points (not all). I loved the show. LOVED IT! Still kind of hate the end, but for reasons other than saying "it was stupid." You'll have to read all the convos on "art" for that explanation.
1. Michael Anderson seems to have gone completely nuts and there was no reckoning between him and Lynch. Anderson has said some seriously horrid things. Whether it was for spite and revenge or because of mental illness issues, I do not know. But I would rather see something like the tree over them trying to recast him. The same with the Sheriff Trumans; I'd rather have a different, Frank Truman, than a new Harry Truman.
2. 1000000000% agree with you about Tammy. I have not made a secret of my disdain for her.
3. I could have used more TP interaction myself. But I think that might have made the ending all that much more painful. Sometimes I wonder why we saw anybody outside of the sheriff's station at all since in the end, the just disappeared.
4. I was entertain by the cameos, but they did seem a bit useless to me as well. I like to think that they were all die hard TP fans who begged for a spot in the show. "We'll do it for free. Hell Lynch, WE WILL PAY YOU!"
5. Was a bit much on the bands but I think there was more purpose there than to just showcase Lynch's faves. I could be wrong on that. But when Julee Cruze got such a short bit, it became very obvious just how long every one of those other acts were.
6. For me, toooooo much long driving. I clearly just do not have the patience or focus for it. I understand a lot of the purpose for it. But I think these scenes mostly just went too long and too far. I would have rather watched another band at the roadhouse.
Sad about Michael J. Anderson. He followed Lynch into Industrial Symphony No. 1. His FB page is a mess. Very, very right-wing and seriously defamatory claims against Lynch and family. Julee Cruise's animosity for her cut (she called it poorly "edited" scene) - I can't argue too much with that. I was kinda uncomfortable watching the credits roll over her face within seconds of the scene opening mid-song. Everyone else was introduced, showcased. Derp.
I still can't believe that I won't get to see another TP episode in my lifetime. Stage 4, right?
Ok, I was ready to throw down when I started reading, buuuuuut, I kind of can't disagree with a lot of your points (not all). I loved the show. LOVED IT! Still kind of hate the end, but for reasons other than saying "it was stupid." You'll have to read all the convos on "art" for that explanation.
1. Michael Anderson seems to have gone completely nuts and there was no reckoning between him and Lynch. Anderson has said some seriously horrid things. Whether it was for spite and revenge or because of mental illness issues, I do not know. But I would rather see something like the tree over them trying to recast him. The same with the Sheriff Trumans; I'd rather have a different, Frank Truman, than a new Harry Truman.
2. 1000000000% agree with you about Tammy. I have not made a secret of my disdain for her.
3. I could have used more TP interaction myself. But I think that might have made the ending all that much more painful. Sometimes I wonder why we saw anybody outside of the sheriff's station at all since in the end, the just disappeared.
4. I was entertain by the cameos, but they did seem a bit useless to me as well. I like to think that they were all die hard TP fans who begged for a spot in the show. "We'll do it for free. Hell Lynch, WE WILL PAY YOU!"
5. Was a bit much on the bands but I think there was more purpose there than to just showcase Lynch's faves. I could be wrong on that. But when Julee Cruze got such a short bit, it became very obvious just how long every one of those other acts were.
6. For me, toooooo much long driving. I clearly just do not have the patience or focus for it. I understand a lot of the purpose for it. But I think these scenes mostly just went too long and too far. I would have rather watched another band at the roadhouse.
Sad about Michael J. Anderson. He followed Lynch into Industrial Symphony No. 1. His FB page is a mess. Very, very right-wing and seriously defamatory claims against Lynch and family. Julee Cruise's animosity for her cut (she called it poorly "edited" scene) - I can't argue too much with that. I was kinda uncomfortable watching the credits roll over her face within seconds of the scene opening mid-song. Everyone else was introduced, showcased. Derp.
I still can't believe that I won't get to see another TP episode in my lifetime. Stage 4, right?
Yes, Alice, you will. Twin Peaks lives in the viewer's mind. 🙂
Ok, I was ready to throw down when I started reading, buuuuuut, I kind of can't disagree with a lot of your points (not all). I loved the show. LOVED IT! Still kind of hate the end, but for reasons other than saying "it was stupid." You'll have to read all the convos on "art" for that explanation.
1. Michael Anderson seems to have gone completely nuts and there was no reckoning between him and Lynch. Anderson has said some seriously horrid things. Whether it was for spite and revenge or because of mental illness issues, I do not know. But I would rather see something like the tree over them trying to recast him. The same with the Sheriff Trumans; I'd rather have a different, Frank Truman, than a new Harry Truman.
2. 1000000000% agree with you about Tammy. I have not made a secret of my disdain for her.
3. I could have used more TP interaction myself. But I think that might have made the ending all that much more painful. Sometimes I wonder why we saw anybody outside of the sheriff's station at all since in the end, the just disappeared.
4. I was entertain by the cameos, but they did seem a bit useless to me as well. I like to think that they were all die hard TP fans who begged for a spot in the show. "We'll do it for free. Hell Lynch, WE WILL PAY YOU!"
5. Was a bit much on the bands but I think there was more purpose there than to just showcase Lynch's faves. I could be wrong on that. But when Julee Cruze got such a short bit, it became very obvious just how long every one of those other acts were.
6. For me, toooooo much long driving. I clearly just do not have the patience or focus for it. I understand a lot of the purpose for it. But I think these scenes mostly just went too long and too far. I would have rather watched another band at the roadhouse.
Sad about Michael J. Anderson. He followed Lynch into Industrial Symphony No. 1. His FB page is a mess. Very, very right-wing and seriously defamatory claims against Lynch and family. Julee Cruise's animosity for her cut (she called it poorly "edited" scene) - I can't argue too much with that. I was kinda uncomfortable watching the credits roll over her face within seconds of the scene opening mid-song. Everyone else was introduced, showcased. Derp.
I still can't believe that I won't get to see another TP episode in my lifetime. Stage 4, right?
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I still can't believe that I won't get to see another TP episode in my lifetime. Stage 4, right?
I've decided the only thing I know about David Lynch is that I don't know anything... including whether there will ever be more Twin Peaks. I'm putting my hope in the unknown. Surely Lynch would approve. 😉
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