You must remember that season 3 had not been written yet when season 2 wrapped up? The show and it's mythology have evolved like the arm. It's unrecognizable. Judy is a new/old concept.

Even so, Cooper received messages from the fireman when he appeared old as far back as S1.

I'm still very confused about the "2 birds one stone" reminder from the fireman and declaration from Cooper to Cole. What are the 2 birds? What is the stone? How do they tie in to Richard & Linda? Why didn't Coop remember this when he remembers everything else, Freddie, the key etc

Well yes, of course. But the ideas and concepts have always been within Lynch, and season 3 has shown a fruition of all of Lynch's weird ideas wrapped into one product. 

I am aware Cooper received messages as far back as Season 1. However, my point is remains. The giant also have Cooper plenty of messages when he was "young". I wish to know why all of this information seems to be a surprise, and seemingly doesn't tie in to what we know happened. I don't think Lynch would intentionally go off the wall and start saying things in Season 3 which didn't happen in Season 2, yet act as if they did. It doesn't follow with the consistency of the rest of the show. I refuse to believe that the entire conversation Cole has is simply filling in mythological gaps not included because the ideas had not been conceptualized by Lynch yet. I feel like this conversation is very important, and ties into a wider conspiracy, rather than just being shit continuity. WHEN did these plans and conversations occur back in 1989/90? Were the off-screen? Is that what we're meant to believe? I don't think so. I think there's something more to it. 

I also think "two birds with one stone" is just a metaphor. Though there is a deeper meaning to the Giants message as a whole which is yet to be unraveled. I expected an answer, instead I am scratching my head. I was a fool to expect anything. 

I FWWM when Jeffries comes right before Coop jewels going to the hall and standing and keeps doing it until he goes back in and he sees himself standing there.... so is it possible this all was going on long before Laura Palmer entered into the picture and Coop had steady been in twin Peaks and in the lodge and it was not his first visit?

Yes I think Dale has been visiting the lodge far before S1 FWWM et al. This accounts for his visions and otherworldly knowledge that he already carries with him before we met his character

Posted by: dopplearb

Yes I think Dale has been visiting the lodge far before S1 FWWM et al. This accounts for his visions and otherworldly knowledge that he already carries with him before we met his character

Again, this feels like a lazy cop-out. If we take the Secret History of Twin Peaks on its face value then no one knew what Briggs' duties were until after the Archivists files were examined. Which was after FWWM? 

We know that Cooper has always had insight into the Supernatural, but based on his behavior in Season 1 I always assumed that this was Cooper's first real taste of the true nature of the Universe, and that his journey through Twin Peaks was his "initiation" into reality, as opposed to his brief tastes of it throughout his life, from early childhood to S3E18. 

I guess we can only ever interpret and guess, nothing is certain, we are all correct and we are all incorrect at the same time 😛 

Excuse my disjointed thoughts on this but regarding the Richard/Linda stuff:

In tulpa Diane's story to Cole et al, Bad Cooper raped her. The presumption was that Diane might have had a child named Linda (offscreen and offscript). Audrey had a child named Richard due to a rape by the same man.

In episode 18's timeline, Cooper and Diane have consensual sex which is troubling to Diane. She "becomes" Linda and Dale "becomes" Richard, at least in her head/story. 

I'm thinking that Lynch/Frost expected us to assume that Linda was Diane's child by rape as a logical deduction and the changes to that story in episode 18 were a kind of natural shift of those expectations. It's like the evolution of the arm, only for timelines and stories. 

Attention please, this plan deserves better discussion:

"major briggs, cooper, and I put together a plan that could lead us to judy. and then something happened to major briggs, and something happened to cooper. Phillip Jeffries, who doesn't really exist anymore, at least not in the normal sense, told me a long time ago he was onto this entity, and he disappeared. Now, the last thing Cooper told me was... "If I disappear like the others, do everything you can to find me."

Now please tell me... according to Cole the order is 1) Jeffries gone missing 2) The Plan 2) Briggs gone missing and came back 3) something happened to Cooper

Gordon Cole's wording ("...then something happened to briggs") strongly suggests that the plan was made before disappearance of Briggs. How about that?

How can Cooper, Cole and Briggs agree on a plan before Briggs disappeared in Season 2, when they barely knew each other? See, Briggs never mentioned about lodges or stuff before disappearance. On the contrary, he refused to give any clue, adding that his works were strictly classified.

Briggs had disappeared more than once, was Cole referring to another disappearance which, according to timeline, has to happen before sth happened to Cooper?

I rewatched most of the episodes of Season 1 and 2 and there was no hint or reference to any blue rose investigation, even when Albert and Dale were talking to each other in private. So I suppose most of the supernatural stuff such as blue rose, Judy, etc were planted in FWWM. Even the idea of lodges was introduced at late season 2, i bet the red room wasn't supposed to be that kind of a medium at the beginning.

Yes I know it's OK to have discontinuities in story but why bring another one to S3E17 when you simply don't have to? This secret could have been a little different without compromise.

 For what it's worth, when Cole keeps saying to Albert, "I'm sorry I couldn't tell you this before," I think that was David Lynch telling the audience, "I'm sorry I hadn't shown you these scenes before. This still doesn't all add up correctly, but I feel like those lines from Cole might've been Lynch/Frost apologizing for the story changing over time.

Yes I know it's OK to have discontinuities in story but why bring another one to S3E17 when you simply don't have to? This secret could have been a little different without compromise.

What about...there is a sense ? It is same with Cooper saying "we live inside a dream". Someone who like only linear theories ignore this part or take it like Lynch say us something as metaphor. But another things that fits their theories are not metaphor but "facts" 😉

I don't see nothing unusual if this is placed there for purpose. Purpose to see that this plan is bullshit.

Posted by: Jesse Newkirk

 For what it's worth, when Cole keeps saying to Albert, "I'm sorry I couldn't tell you this before," I think that was David Lynch telling the audience, "I'm sorry I hadn't shown you these scenes before. This still doesn't all add up correctly, but I feel like those lines from Cole might've been Lynch/Frost apologizing for the story changing over time.

I agree to a point. They had to keep the Judy thang under wraps until . . . It was awkward, yes, but Lynch confessed that the entire French Lady exit scene was developed to extricate Miguel Ferrer's acting chomps (and laughs). So, . . . Brilliant! 

Lynch and frost spent four years, possibly more, perfecting the script and story. Recent interviews have confirmed the story  was a labour  of love. This scene however seems rushed, like poorly added last minute exposition. I wonder if there is more to it than first meets the eye...

Lynch and frost spent four years, possibly more, perfecting the script and story. Recent interviews have confirmed the story  was a labour  of love. This scene however seems rushed, like poorly added last minute exposition. I wonder if there is more to it than first meets the eye...

The trouble with this is that Fire Walk With Me a film based on events before the events in  series 1 and 2 introduces things and people that are not even touched upon in the first 2 series like Phillip Jeffries, Judy, Blue Rose cases but are then intertwined into the Return and so rather than Dale Cooper just going to investigate Laura Palmer's murder that is the same as the Teresa Banks murder the year before we end up with the idea that he was also investigating this entity called Judy at the same time as investigating the murder of Laura Palmer and yet at the same time throughout the first 2 series Judy is never discussed between Major Briggs and Cooper even when they go camping together at night.  I suppose we just have to accept the story else you will go mental trying to fit everything together.  For me the 2 birds with one stone is a reference to saving Laura and destroying Judy which he does with Carrie Page screaming and recognises who she really is in this other universe either created by Judy or the Fireman depending who you believe made Laura disappear into this universe after Dale had saved her from being killed.