Deeply, deeply disappointed. I think the clue is there - I had expectations. But still, if that was the end of Twin Peaks, the final say, I hated it. Hated it. And I was IN LOVE with the whole thing up to a point in episode 17.
It felt to me like expository jet packing, Star Trek syndrome. 16 hours of convoluted set up, 30 minutes of wrap up - that mostly consisted of Freddie punching a CGI bob. Then, my worst fears confirmed, a new meta-level narrative, in the final sequences. Cooper in another 'dream', or post dream reality. Yet ANOTHER bait and switch case of dual personalities - more MHDrive / LHighway / INLAND EMPIRE 'it's all a dream'. Not twin peaks. Surely you have a better idea for what's going on in these worlds?
What a stupid cliffhanger / end scene - surely designed to piss us all off into infinity. I fell like I've been trolled. I was looking forward to rewatching the whole series again and luxuriating in the mystery but he's effectively ruined it with that ending, which was totally adjunct to what we were watching. It's ruined retroactively what I completely worshipped. Why? Why do that? I was loving Secret History and was looking forward to Final Dossier but it's all totally pointless.
Shit. I'm so disappointed.
"I bet top $ that Maclachlan only got dragged into this with the promise of "Starring Kyle MacLachlan" dangling in front of his nose because he wasn't even a fan of FWWM. Unlike Lynch, he seems to truly appreciate original recipe TP.
That's a crazier narrative than anything that came out Lynch's head in season 3. "
Why? Kyle is on record as saying that FWWM damaged the legacy of TP. That's part of the reason he was in it so little. He has also spent years heaping praise on the original TP, saying that it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He also has a rep for being an unusually sane and fan-friendly Hollywood figure. Why would he want to crap on TP fans like this if he wasn't enticed with his first lead role in over a decade? It sounds like Lynch made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
"I bet top $ that Maclachlan only got dragged into this with the promise of "Starring Kyle MacLachlan" dangling in front of his nose because he wasn't even a fan of FWWM. Unlike Lynch, he seems to truly appreciate original recipe TP.
That's a crazier narrative than anything that came out Lynch's head in season 3. "
Why? Kyle is on record as saying that FWWM damaged the legacy of TP. That's part of the reason he was in it so little. He has also spent years heaping praise on the original TP, saying that it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He also has a rep for being an unusually sane and fan-friendly Hollywood figure. Why would he want to crap on TP fans like this if he wasn't enticed with his first lead role in over a decade? It sounds like Lynch made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are just making stuff up.
Oh, give it up, Lynchites. Surely 4 months worth of calling anyone not overjoyed at TR simpletons who just want happy, tidy conclusions is enough. I know that it produces a false sense of superiority over all the non-Lynch worshipping 'phillistines', but it's a broken record now that this journey is over. I'm so, so glad to not be one of the few kids shouting that the Emperor is naked anymore.
...This is a cautionary tale about indulging spoilt auteurs whose heads have gotten bigger than their abilities...
Guess you didn't like it huh?
At least he won't be coming back and delivering more of the same in 25 years
"That's a crazier narrative than anything that came out Lynch's head in season 3. "
Why? Kyle is on record as saying that FWWM damaged the legacy of TP. That's part of the reason he was in it so little. He has also spent years heaping praise on the original TP, saying that it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He also has a rep for being an unusually sane and fan-friendly Hollywood figure. Why would he want to crap on TP fans like this if he wasn't enticed with his first lead role in over a decade? It sounds like Lynch made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are just making stuff up. "
You can verify all of it by doing very basic online research. The only conjecture is MacLachan's motivation on The Return. Everything else is on record in his interviews and fan interactions.
"That's a crazier narrative than anything that came out Lynch's head in season 3. "
Why? Kyle is on record as saying that FWWM damaged the legacy of TP. That's part of the reason he was in it so little. He has also spent years heaping praise on the original TP, saying that it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He also has a rep for being an unusually sane and fan-friendly Hollywood figure. Why would he want to crap on TP fans like this if he wasn't enticed with his first lead role in over a decade? It sounds like Lynch made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are just making stuff up. "
You can verify all of it by doing very basic online research. The only conjecture is MacLachan's motivation on The Return. Everything else is on record in his interviews and fan interactions.
You are a TV viewer. Like the rest of us, you weren't on the set. You are not Lynch. You are not MacLachlan. You weren't privy to any of their conversations or interactions with each other.
Also, Kyle's the only one who had the privilege of reading the whole script. So much of his career and cult standing has been defined by Cooper. He had a lot to lose by agreeing to defile the character like this. The perks had to be major.
Oh, give it up, Lynchites. Surely 4 months worth of calling anyone not overjoyed at TR simpletons who just want happy, tidy conclusions is enough. I know that it produces a false sense of superiority over all the non-Lynch worshipping 'phillistines', but it's a broken record now that this journey is over. I'm so, so glad to not be one of the few kids shouting that the Emperor is naked anymore.
What really gets me about this one is that The Return was comparatively straightforward when placed alongside his past 3 films. It took me at least 3 watches to really get anything substantial from Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire took 2 viewings and reading the plot synopsis several times (because I don't think my sanity could have withstood sitting through all 3 hours of it repeatedly in that short time.) With The Return, which is more than 5 times long as either of those, I watched each episode just once on a weekly basis and then rewatched the whole thing before the finale to refresh my memory on the key points (e.g. what the Fireman said to Cooper, who was working for who, etc.) and by the time the end credits rolled on the finale, because all the "weirdness" had been laid out so plainly, I understood perfectly well what had happened. I just didn't like it.
Also, Kyle's the only one who had the privilege of reading the whole script. So much of his career and cult standing has been defined by Cooper. He had a lot to lose by agreeing to defile the character like this. The perks had to be major.
Defile? Are you for real? Lol
Oh, give it up, Lynchites. Surely 4 months worth of calling anyone not overjoyed at TR simpletons who just want happy, tidy conclusions is enough. I know that it produces a false sense of superiority over all the non-Lynch worshipping 'phillistines', but it's a broken record now that this journey is over. I'm so, so glad to not be one of the few kids shouting that the Emperor is naked anymore.
Are people that didn't like the ending really being called "simpletons" etc. here?
I'm just so pissed of that he reduced the Twin Peaks universe to a dream, in effect, ultimately destroying it. It's his universe, I guess he needed to 'Finish' the story, but did he need to nuke it? I was enjoying being there...
my take:
Even if it's not a literal 'dream' somehow Cooper and Diane stepped outside of this universe. Cooper broke the Twin Peaks universe - forever, by pulling Laura away from her fate. In 50 minutes of television he undid our material understanding of the Twin Peaks universe we've spent hundreds of hours in. Laura disappeared because he found a way to go back in time. We saw her being ripped from reality in the red room and the woods. That's what I took to happen to Audrey too her ending - her 'dream' ended at that same moment. He broke time and space.
However he and Diane entered a new reality - arguably 'a dream' in the sense that it wasn't the same as our 'Twin Peaks' reality - he was searching for a version of Laura Palmer from the new reality. The one he created. As temporal corner stones Diane Cooper and probably Cole were all effectively - at least to some degree - protected from the effects of the new universe coming into being, and yet Cooper persisted - in his pride and naievety - to try to save / find / solve Laura. He couldn't leave it alone. When he brought her back to the old palmer house - which I take to have been paradoxically 'cleaned up' by the tremonds/chalfonts, albeit mysteriously / strangely, that reality was - yet again - broken. Hence the scream and the explosion.
In a curious twist, Dale Cooper ends up being arguably the villain of the piece, he fulfilled an outcome that was arguably more cataclysmic than even Dirty Cooper was planning. Tragedy upon comedy.
"That's a crazier narrative than anything that came out Lynch's head in season 3. "
Why? Kyle is on record as saying that FWWM damaged the legacy of TP. That's part of the reason he was in it so little. He has also spent years heaping praise on the original TP, saying that it's the best thing that ever happened to him. He also has a rep for being an unusually sane and fan-friendly Hollywood figure. Why would he want to crap on TP fans like this if he wasn't enticed with his first lead role in over a decade? It sounds like Lynch made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
You are just making stuff up. "
You can verify all of it by doing very basic online research. The only conjecture is MacLachan's motivation on The Return. Everything else is on record in his interviews and fan interactions.
You are a TV viewer. Like the rest of us, you weren't on the set. You are not Lynch. You are not MacLachlan. You weren't privy to any of their conversations or interactions with each other.
Steve's right. And DL & Kyle M. are friends outside of work. Not to mention Kyle M. talking recently about how he enjoyed doing the various roles in the new show.
"Kyle M. talking recently about how he enjoyed doing the various roles in the new show."
This is exactly the perks I was talking about. Kyle got the role of a lifetime perfectly suited to his talents. There is no way he could've refused that regardless of the quality of the project. He got his chance to do Orphan Black.
Yes, they are friends but they have always had major creative disagreements. Kyle refused to star in FWWM, causing Lynch to do 11th hour rewrites and casting to replace him with 2 other detectives in lead. There is an interview with Kyle saying that FWWM "damaged" TP - Youtube it. He also vetoed the planned Audrey-Coop romance in S2 and got Lynch to leave out Jeffrey's scripted rape by Frank Booth in Blue Velvet.
Fire walk with