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Completely Disillusioned After 17 & 18

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(@groovy-llama-fan)
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I badly wish that Showtime had had the guts to call Lynch's bluff back when he pulled rank in the dispute - and fired him. They should've hired Frost and other original writers and directors that are still around. You know - people that actually like TP and its audience, don't have huge egos, and are capable off producing high quality offbeat entertainment. This is a cautionary tale about indulging spoilt auteurs whose heads have gotten bigger than their abilities.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:43 am
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Posted by: groovy-llama-fan

Can't help thinking "I told you so!". I've been disillusioned since the TR premiere. I stuck it out until part 14 solely on the benefit of the doubt. Sherilyn Fenn's and Julee Cruise's unhappy comments about the production are now so vindicated.

Where can I read them? I can google it, of course, but if you mean a specific article or interview, I'd like to read it - to be sure we've read the same comments 🙂

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:49 am
(@henrysteiger)
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I just woke up this Monday mourning, feeling negative as when I finally fell asleep last night. I immediately reached for the iPad. I feel like Audrey with her mirror. Broken and confused, rug pulled out. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 7:11 am
(@cods69)
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If there was an internet after the end of S2, I think much of the lively conversation would have been similar.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 8:06 am
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The sex scene was ment to be awkard. In the car before, they both knew that everything (also their love) gonna be different when they arrive in the new timeline/life. When they had sex, coop still remembered that he was coop. Diane became slowly Linda, who hadn't really had feelings for richard ( coop). That's why she didn't wanted to see his face.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 8:10 am
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Posted by: Jasmijn Albert

The sex scene was ment to be awkard. In the car before, they both knew that everything (also their love) gonna be different when they arrive in the new timeline/life. When they had sex, coop still remembered that he was coop. Diane became slowly Linda, who hadn't really had feelings for richard ( coop). That's why she didn't wanted to see his face.

She could've also been recalling Mr C raping her. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 8:18 am
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Posted by: ella

I think we were all expecting this uncertainety about which Cooper is that, so I wouldn't bother about that tbh... Now we have to deal with ALL the rest! Oh dear, I definetely need rewatch and maybe later... in a year or two? we're gonna make sens of it...

Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

It is a different story, but was alluded to at the outset of the series.  The Fireman tells Cooper Richard and Linda 430 and Cooper understands. From the time Cooper wakes up in the hospital in Las Vegas, he acts as a man on a mission who has received specific instructions.  He knows who  Freddie is, and Freddie's purpose. 

I haven't had a chance to to watch it a second time, and on first viewing I reacted much as you did. It felt like we were suddenly thrown into a different movie. So when I rewatch,  i will remember that this change of focus was brewing from the beginning. It might help me to appreciate and understand it more.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 9:30 am
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I view it like this..
Episode 17 was the end of Season 3. All the storylines were wrapped up. Before anybody asks me if I'm insane, Cooper stopping Laura's murder would change the timeline, meaning that yes, all those stories were resolved.

I view episode 18 as almost an epilogue.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 9:35 am
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Posted by: ella
 
Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

Yes.  He defenestrated it all into irrelevance.  I didn't expect all the mysteries solved or explained or all the threads tied up.  I love ambiguity and nuance.  But suddenly, it felt like none of it mattered.  Not the mythology, not the people.  My friend's 11 year old watched with us.  He summed it up rather perfectly.  "You guys waited 25 years for that?"

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 9:41 am
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Posted by: elesea-honu
Posted by: ella
 
Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

Yes.  He defenestrated it all into irrelevance.  I didn't expect all the mysteries solved or explained or all the threads tied up.  I love ambiguity and nuance.  But suddenly, it felt like none of it mattered.  Not the mythology, not the people.  My friend's 11 year old watched with us.  He summed it up rather perfectly.  "You guys waited 25 years for that?"

Existentialism 101

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 9:58 am
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Don't have the links, but Fenn was upset about the small size of her role and how the female characters got treated in general. Julee was steaming furious at how she was treated and little-included too.  Both shared this somewhere on SM.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 10:25 am
(@groovy-llama-fan)
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If not for their NDAs, they'd be disclosing things in more colourful terms and in detail for sure.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 10:28 am
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Posted by: groovy-llama-fan

...This is a cautionary tale about indulging spoilt auteurs whose heads have gotten bigger than their abilities...

Guess you didn't like it huh?

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:04 pm
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Posted by: Athena
Posted by: SamXTherapy

At least, now we know what Laura whispered in Cooper's ear:

"You are going to disappear up your own arse by trying to save me."

He would have done better by trying to find Annie.

Where's Annie now? HOW'S ANNIE??

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 8:45 pm
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I was disillusioned at first but after some time to think about it, I kind of see how it needed to be the way it was.  On the one hand I really want to be angry at Lynch for abusing the trust of fans, but on the other I know he didn't make any promises to break.  He's belligerent about his vision and as MAD as it makes me in the moment, after I cool off, I admire him for it.  I wonder if Twin Peaks would've had the staying power it did if the Lynch/Frost gave into fans and networks in the 90s...same for what is happening now.

I don't know if any of that made sense.  I'm still processing, lol....

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 8:54 pm
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