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Completely Disillusioned After 17 & 18

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(@freya)
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You have expressed my feelings for me.  

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 1:39 am
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Posted by: Paige Daniel Craig
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Posted by: henrysteiger

It's 2:20AM and I still can't sleep. My stomach hurts from where Lynch and Frost  punched me as hard as they could.. 

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

It was actually disturbing and hard to watch... it made me think of Diane's rape by bad coop and I am not sure that was good Coop in that scene...  and I think Diane knew it.  

He did say, "Now you come to me." Very Mr. C-ish stoicism (but without the rape-y vibe). Nothing like feeling high after 17 only to be completely screwed by 18. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 1:42 am
(@rbowser)
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Posted by: henrysteiger

 We couldn't get just one hour of Cooper reconnecting with Twin Peaks before he destroyed time and space? 

--Nope!  lol.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 1:53 am
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Posted by: Paige Daniel Craig
Posted by: EpicEsquire
Posted by: henrysteiger

It's 2:20AM and I still can't sleep. My stomach hurts from where Lynch and Frost  punched me as hard as they could.. 

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

It was actually disturbing and hard to watch... it made me think of Diane's rape by bad coop and I am not sure that was good Coop in that scene...  and I think Diane knew it.  

Interpreted it as ritual. A painful ritual, a tearing apart.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:26 am
(@naogilles)
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All the answers, or not, will be in the Final Dossier, $29.99+s/h.

Dig yourself out of the dream!

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:49 am
(@athena)
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Posted by: Randy Bowser
Posted by: EpicEsquire

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

Oh, well I think definitely the point. Cooper was so zombied out my wife and I wondered if he was Bad Cooper. And those closeups of Diane looking up at the ceiling during sex - she didn't look too thrilled, she looked like she was trying to hide her angst--And then she tried to cover his face so she didn't have to see him.-- Definitely zero chemistry. Having her gone in the morning wasn't a surprise. - Her note about "Richard and Linda" was a surprise though!

For the most part of Episode 18, I wondered if the Cooper we see on the screen is actually the Bad Cooper. Something about the way he moves, maybe.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 5:19 am
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I was wondering if it was Bad Coop, but now I'm pretty sure it's both Coops merged into one..he broke time and space, created a new timeline, and everything we ever loved never happened.
Really not sure what I think.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 5:39 am
 ella
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I think we were all expecting this uncertainety about which Cooper is that, so I wouldn't bother about that tbh... Now we have to deal with ALL the rest! Oh dear, I definetely need rewatch and maybe later... in a year or two? we're gonna make sens of it...

Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 5:44 am
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Posted by: ella

Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

My feelings exactly. Well, at least Lynch had the decency to give Janey-E and Sonny Jim the better version of Dougie.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 5:48 am
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Posted by: Athena
Posted by: ella

Anybody got this feeling that it was completely different story than all we saw for 16 episodes? Like almost all the season suddenly stopped mather? And that really hurts me. I didn't expect wrap-up for all the story but nothing? Nada?

My feelings exactly. Well, at least Lynch had the decency to give Janey-E and Sonny Jim the better version of Dougie.

I found that to be a great irony. A theme of Twin Peaks season 1 and 2 was the dysfunction of the "nuclear family." Season 3 continued a Lynchian tradition of commentary on suburban life. All that said, the story line most neatly tied up and gift wrapped is of a formerly dysfunctional suburban family now transformed into that idyllic "nuclear family" headed by a non-human tulpa-Coop. The other irony is that tulpa-Coop is now the only version of the idealized-Boy Scout-Coop left. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 5:57 am
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(@samxtherapy)
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At least, now we know what Laura whispered in Cooper's ear:

"You are going to disappear up your own arse by trying to save me."

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:03 am
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

At least, now we know what Laura whispered in Cooper's ear:

"You are going to disappear up your own arse by trying to save me."

He would have done better by trying to find Annie.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:05 am
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

At least, now we know what Laura whispered in Cooper's ear:

"You are going to disappear up your own arse by trying to save me."

Couldn't leave well enough alone. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:05 am
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Posted by: henrysteiger

Twin Peaks became Inland Empire. And don't get me wrong- I continue to be fascinated by Inland Empire. But that's not what Twin Peaks was.

I had a similar reaction overall, but I do think there are reasons to see Twin Peaks as having been more like Inland Empire all along. Lynch's detectives are always ultimately searching out their own fantasies rather than the truth, and we knew that Cooper gets blinded by love and lets this get in the way of his work. Invitation to Love constantly reminded us that that we were in a soap opera. Like many of Lynch's other works, Twin Peaks has always been filled with doubles, people who are versions of one another or echo one another - something that works much more on the level of dream logic than reality. I understand the desire to have Twin Peaks be something else, to be real, but I'm not sure it ever was. And the show has been about that desire too: James and Donna wanted their love to be real and to keep them separate from the rest of the world going to hell; Cooper wanted the mystery and goodness of Twin Peaks to be real without focusing on the murder, drugs, and general sense of evil. If anything, I see the show as following through on things that have been in place all along, subverting our desires for the show to be something else. Like Cooper, we fell in love, lost our concentration, and now are paying for it.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:30 am
(@groovy-llama-fan)
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Can't help thinking "I told you so!". I've been disillusioned since the TR premiere. I stuck it out until part 14 solely on the benefit of the doubt. Sherilyn Fenn's and Julee Cruise's unhappy comments about the production are now so vindicated. I bet top $ that Maclachlan only got dragged into this with the promise of "Starring Kyle MacLachlan" dangling in front of his nose because he wasn't even a fan of FWWM. Unlike Lynch, he seems to truly appreciate original recipe TP.

As to suggestions of a crowd-funded season 4, watching this catastrophe has made me want to start a crowdfunding campaign for Lynch's retirement fund - so that he never touches a camera EVER AGAIN. He burnt all his bridges with this. And this is coming from an unreserved fan of Mulholland Dr and someone who even enjoyed IE up to a point.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 6:35 am
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