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Completely Disillusioned After 17 & 18

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I feel like I've been punched in the stomach. I've cherished this ride, I really have. Each and every part until tonight.. Twin Peaks became Inland Empire. And don't get me wrong- I continue to be fascinated by Inland Empire. But that's not what Twin Peaks was. It (seems to me) was always grounded in reality, in the characters we loved.. with delicious helpings of the surreal in terms of its supernatural elements. But after finally getting Cooper back.. he's gone again into a nightmare. A nightmare that I cannot comprehend. 

I really have no idea what's going on at the end of part 17 and the entirety of 18. It's all a dream? Multiple realities? Never happened? Fourth wall breaking? I don't feel challenged- as in I want to watch over and over to figure this out. I feel dropped off of a cliff. I really don't want to see parts 17 and 18 ever again. They are like bad memories I want to forget. Cooper began to not feel like Cooper (again.) World's most uncomfortable sex scene. Why, god?

No, I'm not saying "I've wasted all this time for nothing." I really have enjoyed the journey. But this direction taken in the last two hours has certainly soured my overall opinion of the "18 hour movie." And its left me.. just.. disillusioned. I know I'm not the only one. Thoughts? 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 1:58 am
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I am not ready to say disillusioned just yet.  Maybe tomorrow.

But I can definitely identify with feeling punch in the stomach, dropped off a cliff, set on fire, shot in the ear, kicked in the naughty parts, backed over by a buick, and on hold with the cable company.

sigh

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:01 am
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You said:

"I continue to be fascinated by Inland Empire. But that's not what Twin Peaks was. It (seems to me) was always grounded in reality, in the characters we loved.. with delicious helpings of the surreal."

 

Yes, exactly. I thought the end was cheap and unoriginal. Though the ride as a whole was entertaining. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:15 am
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It's 2:20AM and I still can't sleep. My stomach hurts from where Lynch and Frost  punched me as hard as they could.. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:19 am
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Well, at the very least, I think you expressed your disillusionment very well. My wife had basically the same reaction as you. I had a different reaction - after jaw dropping and sitting in shock for awhile, finally saying "OH MY GOD!" - I laughed my head off. I loved it. Though I had no idea what exactly the ending would consist of, I knew after a few episodes that anyone who expected things to be wrapped up at the end would be disappointed. 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:21 am
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I thought the ending seemed very well thought out.  Everything coming together and then falling apart.  If everything wrapped up like an ordinary day in my life, I think that'd cheapen everything that came before.  People tangling with the lodges (whatever they are!) can't be anything less than a nightmare in the end.  It's hard to watch our hero so lost, confused and without a clear resolution.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:23 am
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I am not disillusioned. To be so, I would have had illusions.

I remember walking out of FWWM (it was a preview, with a q&a with Bob Engles.

I felt disappointment because it was not what I WANTED if to be. 

Was this what the part of me that has hopes for neat happy endings wanted? No, and as such, among the emotions I felt tonight (which included, pretty much ALL of them) was disappointment.

But When I am experiencing all the emotions, I can choose which of those emotions I am going to focus on. 

What this was was maybe not what a part of me wanted. But what I got was wondrous, mind-blowing, challenging, chilling, in a way that will haunt my dreams.

 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:23 am
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I didn't expect things to be wrapped up and decorated with a bow. I didn't even expect there to be packaging or tape.  But things just got more and more twisted and convoluted while completely ignoring dozens of other things that had been presented to us. And so much driving.

Not ready to be disillusioned yet.  But I am feeling a bit abused.

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:24 am
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A drink or two might help

or a slice of pizza

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:30 am
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Posted by: henrysteiger

It's 2:20AM and I still can't sleep. My stomach hurts from where Lynch and Frost  punched me as hard as they could.. 

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:32 am
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Posted by: EpicEsquire

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

Oh, well I think definitely the point. Cooper was so zombied out my wife and I wondered if he was Bad Cooper. And those closeups of Diane looking up at the ceiling during sex - she didn't look too thrilled, she looked like she was trying to hide her angst--And then she tried to cover his face so she didn't have to see him.-- Definitely zero chemistry. Having her gone in the morning wasn't a surprise. - Her note about "Richard and Linda" was a surprise though!

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:34 am
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Posted by: henrysteiger

It's 2:20AM and I still can't sleep. My stomach hurts from where Lynch and Frost  punched me as hard as they could.. 

The Cooper/Diana aka Richard/Linda sex scene had zero chemistry (maybe that was the point?)

It was actually disturbing and hard to watch... it made me think of Diane's rape by bad coop and I am not sure that was good Coop in that scene...  and I think Diane knew it.  

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:34 am
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You have expressed my feelings for me.  

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:39 am
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You have expressed my feelings for me.  

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:39 am
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Posted by: Randy Bowser

Well, at the very least, I think you expressed your disillusionment very well. My wife had basically the same reaction as you. I had a different reaction - after jaw dropping and sitting in shock for awhile, finally saying "OH MY GOD!" - I laughed my head off. I loved it. Though I had no idea what exactly the ending would consist of, I knew after a few episodes that anyone who expected things to be wrapped up at the end would be disappointed. 

It's not that I expected everything or even most things to be wrapped up. I actually didn't want that. It's that I feel these last two parts basically "broke" Twin Peaks. One of the joys of The Return was seeing the world of Twin Peaks widen to outside the town proper. But now I feel the town of Twin Peaks itself, and our beloved characters within- are cast aside- superseded by the "more important" story of that hunt for Judy. We couldn't get just one hour of Cooper reconnecting with Twin Peaks before he destroyed time and space? 

 
Posted : 04/09/2017 2:39 am
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