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Can We All Agree that Dale and Richard Cooper Are Two Different People?

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(@kyle-anderson)
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I have an idea but i feel it's too early to confirm whether it is correct or not.

When Cooper wakes up in the (different) motel something has changed, the first time I saw the scene I thought he has taken the place of that Richard. So yes, Richard is another person in my current opinion. As far as Cooper's behavior in further scenes is concerned, I think the dimensional passage has mixed up something in his mind, but it's not a tulpa or doppelgänger, it's just "Dale Cooper fifty/sixty percent."

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 1:28 pm
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Or, the same dugba

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 1:37 pm
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Posted by: katey-e-schrodinger

Posted this on another thread, maybe it fits here better:

As I read it, a person is made up of three elements:

1. their name

2. their appearance

3. their story

These elements can be combined differently after specific key scenes (e.g. Cooper and Diane crossing the 430 mile line). Therefore, what we have seen in the DianeLinda/CooperRichard part could actually be a continuation of some other story line (Becky/Steven, Audrey/Charlie?) with characters called Richard and Linda portrayed by Laura Dern and Kyle MacLachlan. It happens in real life (dreams) and it has happened before in Lynch's works.

Not sure what it means, although it does provide an interesting change of perspective.

Hi Katey,

Appreciate the response - not really sure how to tally the vote, though.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

😉

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Posted : 06/09/2017 1:37 pm
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Different

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 1:43 pm
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Posted by: Luke Foxtrot Mitchell

One and the same.

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Hi Luke,

So you think there are now two Dales running around - one in place of Richard, and one in the regular Twin Peaks-verse?  =:-O

😉

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Posted : 06/09/2017 1:52 pm
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Posted by: Kyle Anderson

I have an idea but i feel it's too early to confirm whether it is correct or not.

When Cooper wakes up in the (different) motel something has changed, the first time I saw the scene I thought he has taken the place of that Richard. So yes, Richard is another person in my current opinion. As far as Cooper's behavior in further scenes is concerned, I think the dimensional passage has mixed up something in his mind, but it's not a tulpa or doppelgänger, it's just "Dale Cooper fifty/sixty percent."

Vote: Different

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Hi Kyle,

So if Dale is just fifty/sixty percent, who or what is the other fifty/forty percent?  =:-O

😉

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Posted : 06/09/2017 2:00 pm
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Posted by: katey-e-schrodinger

Different

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Hi Katey,

Can't be any clearer than that!  😉

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Posted : 06/09/2017 2:02 pm
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I think Richard is an amalgamation of all the versions of Coop we have seen in Season 3. I also think red-haired Diane wasn't the real Diane and was likely another doppelganger/tulpa, partially because her hair and nails were direct references to the Waiting Room, and partially because of her previous identity of Naido (Naido = Dian-o, perhaps = Diane-no).

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:02 pm
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Cooper go back in time to save Laura and after there is a mess with everybody and everything.

Cooper is now another person.

Laura is now another person.

Even Twin Peaks is another city, the Double R have lost the "RR2go" :

 RR01.jpg

 RR02.jpg 

So the Palmer's house is now the Tremond's house.

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:08 pm
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Posted by: Deja Lee

her previous identity of Naido (Naido = Dian-o, perhaps = Diane-no).

I think it's just a Japanese (reverse) pronunciation of Diane.

Posted by: Lucas Bracci

 Even Twin Peaks is another city, the Double R have lost the "RR2go" 

Or perhaps it's just a future version of the Double R, following Norma's withdrawal from the franchised diners.

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:10 pm
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: Luke Foxtrot Mitchell

One and the same.

Vote: Same

Same: 4

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Hi Luke,

So you think there are now two Dales running around - one in place of Richard, and one in the regular Twin Peaks-verse?  =:-O

😉

- /< /\ /> -

Hey Ric - my theory unfortunately is far less flashy!  I believe Coop has merged with his doppleganger following return to the Red Room. His Lodge experience and being allies with Philip Gerard/MIKE has enabled him to do this. Hence his not-entirely-good/not-entirely-evil persona in the 'dream'.

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:14 pm
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Posted by: Deja Lee

I think Richard is an amalgamation of all the versions of Coop we have seen in Season 3. I also think red-haired Diane wasn't the real Diane and was likely another doppelganger/tulpa, partially because her hair and nails were direct references to the Waiting Room, and partially because of her previous identity of Naido (Naido = Dian-o, perhaps = Diane-no).

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Hi Deja,

The amalgamation includes Dougie, Mr. C, and Dale?  Do you think this Richard synthesis was always just a blend of these three?  Or was he just suddenly created that way?

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Posted : 06/09/2017 2:18 pm
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Posted by: Ric Bissell

 

So if Dale is just fifty/sixty percent, who or what is the other fifty/forty percent?  

 

Nothingness, in a similar way he experienced in Mr. Jackpots. 😉

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:19 pm
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Posted by: Lucas Bracci

Cooper go back in time to save Laura and after there is a mess with everybody and everything.

Cooper is now another person.

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Hi Lucas,

Do you think Richard realized he was a changed Dale?

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Posted : 06/09/2017 2:22 pm
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Posted by: Ric Bissell
Posted by: katey-e-schrodinger

Different

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Hi Katey,

Can't be any clearer than that!  😉

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I'm not going to give away that at first I wanted to write something from the notsuremyself-itdependsonhowyoudefinepeople-almostcertainlytwothirdsdifferent spectrum...

 

 
Posted : 06/09/2017 2:26 pm
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