For the sake of symmetry, I like to think Mr. C wanted the same thing as his counterpart Cooper: to find Judy (for more or less opposite reasons).
I agree. We found out that they really were mirror images even with regard to motivation.
Probably, but he didn't seem to know the name "Judy. " He must have known there was a very negative force, but didn't seem to have enough information about it. His efforts to find a key portal were trigger by the Lodge' s efforts to bring him back there. I think he just really didn't want to give up his earthly life to go to hang around in some limbo doing nothing. He was probably terrified at the thought of it, but of course we don't get to see him scared of anything.
I don't see his quest as a real mirror image of Cooper's. Bad Coop's interests are smaller and more self-serving.
I actually felt bad for him ?
For the sake of symmetry, I like to think Mr. C wanted the same thing as his counterpart Cooper: to find Judy (for more or less opposite reasons).
I agree. We found out that they really were mirror images even with regard to motivation.
Probably, but he didn't seem to know the name "Judy. " He must have known there was a very negative force, but didn't seem to have enough information about it. His efforts to find a key portal were trigger by the Lodge' s efforts to bring him back there. I think he just really didn't want to give up his earthly life to go to hang around in some limbo doing nothing. He was probably terrified at the thought of it, but of course we don't get to see him scared of anything.
I don't see his quest as a real mirror image of Cooper's. Bad Coop's interests are smaller and more self-serving.
I actually felt bad for him ?
I found it interesting that when he went into the white lodge and was caged, the Fireman had an image of the Palmer house (where Judy may have been) on a view screen. The Fireman made the view screen shift to the spot outside the Sheriff's station, to where he then sent Mr. C. It made me think Mr. C thought he would be heading to Judy when he entered the portal.
I enjoyed Lucy unloading on Mister C, but there should have been more to his demise. It was a pretty simple end for a main character of the season. I agree with many of you who said that he deserved better. It seemed very rushed.
I enjoyed Lucy unloading on Mister C, but there should have been more to his demise. It was a pretty simple end for a main character of the season. I agree with many of you who said that he deserved better. It seemed very rushed.
I really think he was intentionally given short shrift. Whether you choose to resent this or think it was clever, Lynch & Co. played a trick on us. They made us think defeating Mr. C was the big quest at stake. By "rushing" his death scene (and generally make him look clueless and pathetic while the Giant effortlessly shuffled him around the time-space continuum), they intentionally diminished him.
Message: Mr. C was a contemptible little demon and who wasn't as much of a big-shot as he thought he was. We wash our hands of him.
Personally, I dig it.
It reminded me of the No Country for Old Men scene where someone you think is pivotal just gets disposed of. I think it's meaningful and I liked it. It's more realistic. Sometimes it's not the hero that saves the day and sometimes the villain isn't all powerful (like getting hit by a car at an intersection, also in NCFOM). I think the other way would have been too much for Lynch/Frost, that some lone superhero Dale Cooper miraculously and against all odds saves the girl and the world from humanity's worst threats. Glad they didn't go that route.
Now, the one punch man scene with Freddie getting into a fight with a floating ball, I'm not sure I'll ever really appreciate that both because of the effects and the absurdity of it. It made BOB seem particularly weak and ineffective (maybe he was weakened), particularly in comparison to Sarah's possession, the Woodsmen, and the Experiment. But it did allow an inconsequential character that few probably cared about with probably less than 15 minutes of screen time to play a very big role.
It's smart because it makes you lower your guard. You relax yourself, then it is stealed from you. The final hour comes as a train.
In the grand scheme of the spirit world a doppelganger would have to be a fairly minor entity. I thought Mr. C's story got more and more goofy and much less threatening as the series went on. What started with the stark scenes at Buela's and Darya's murder ultimately morphed into texting, arm-wrestling with Cousin Hogwallop watching, and being completely out-maneuvered by Phillip Jeffries. Whatever his plans, he was easily captured and placed at the location of his demise. At the end, he was just transport to get Bob to Freddie.
Mr. C. was always a punk and he met a punk's fate.
I enjoyed Lucy unloading on Mister C, but there should have been more to his demise. It was a pretty simple end for a main character of the season. I agree with many of you who said that he deserved better. It seemed very rushed.
I really think he was intentionally given short shrift. Whether you choose to resent this or think it was clever, Lynch & Co. played a trick on us. They made us think defeating Mr. C was the big quest at stake. By "rushing" his death scene (and generally make him look clueless and pathetic while the Giant effortlessly shuffled him around the time-space continuum), they intentionally diminished him.
Message: Mr. C was a contemptible little demon and who wasn't as much of a big-shot as he thought he was. We wash our hands of him.
Personally, I dig it.
These are close to my thoughts on the matter. I'll add that I also think the increased exposition and pace as the story drew closer and closer to the climax was planned and intentional. The aforementioned technique juxtaposed with the anticlimactic end helped to cause the last half of part 18 to be all the more impactful. I was able to breathe, reflect and study everything while it was happening on screen. That is until I lost my breath and ability to speak as Carrie's scream echoed in my brain while Laura was whispering into Coop's ear.
I thought Lynch and Frost had been rushing death scenes/story resolutions for an episode or two before this. I thought both Richard and Ray's deaths were abrupt. I had a feeling that Mr C was going to suffer a similar abrupt fate.
Maybe it was a trick played on us, but there were also plenty of potential clues that Mr C was not the focus and would not be hard to defeat. Ray tricked his ass pretty good.
Anybody else feel like the death of BadCoop was totally anticlimactic? Kyle was monstrous this season - he totally sold it all the way through, god bless him - then at the end it's like 'Oh, Lucy shot him. Bye.'
The revelation of an even bigger baddy (Judy) diminishes the importance of BadCoop.
One could only expect that if Judy is defeated then it would be revealed that she's just the servant of X, higher up the evil food chain. Loop keeps going.
There's been hardly any discussion about BadCoop's exit. I think it's b/c they diminished its importance by the immediate shift to Mulholland Twin Highway Inland disintegration and NON EXISSSSTAAAANNCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
And I'd throw BOB into that same "too easily dispatched" category... Freddie and his green glove? Really? It felt very rushed and it diminished the power of Mr C. and BOB as characters.
Curtis, we were thinking the exact same thing. The truly anticlimactic part of this experience is how Bob was defeated. Truly a letdown.
You know... I think The Return introduced the idea that even BOB was fairly small potatoes. Part of me wants to be cynical and say it was necessity: With Frank Silva no longer with us, there was only so much they could do with BOB's image without getting downright cheesy. (Some might say they crossed that line as it is.) And on the off chance the show continues, I assume they'll want to go in another direction when it comes to personifying evil.
But at the same time, it's pretty defensible. The original Twin Peaks took place exclusively in and around... Twin Peaks. You might say BOB was the local demon, which was very bad news for the townspeople but maybe not the universe at large. The Return brought this mythology to a massively larger scale. Whatever you call the entity that spewed out the original BOB globule (The Mother? The Experiment? Judy? I'm getting quite fuzzy on that point), she spewed out a whole lot of them - which makes sense. Horrible things happen all over the world. We can only assume there are other evil spirits causing unspeakable things to occur. The Return tells us the ultimate foe is the "mother" of all of them... I think.
As far as consistency goes, maybe they skated on thin ice but they didn't fall through. The stakes have been raised; BOB is no more; and there are even more appalling things to confront... if we ever get there.
Well he was in Leland for what, 40 years? and he killed like 3 people
I see your point that Mister C was diminished, and that feels right to me, but I still feel like there needs to be more. I thought we were going to move on to a conflict with Judy. Perhaps we have, and I just need to see things differently. Maybe that's just my initial reaction. Still no time to rewatch. I plan to do that this weekend.
I liked Kyle of course, and the first scene that we saw the new Bad Dale was incredible, one of the best TV moments ever, but after that... Well, he was nothing like the all-out crazy smash-your-head-in-the-mirror Dale that has been running around terrorizing my imagination for the past 25 years. The Bad Dale they gave us was a little violent, a little scary, but a bit of a pussy cat really. I even forgot BOB was actually in him for most of the season. I remember before it started I was expecting to see a broken, desolate Twin Peaks town that had just been run into the ground after 25 years of a Bad Dale with FBI authority. Still, we have to focus on the donut and not the hole ; )
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