For those like me who believe the mother is inside Sarah....was she there the whole time Bob\Leland was raping Laura or did she enter her later?
In twin peaks Season 2 for a moment there she is possessed by Windom Earle...so it's fair to day maybe she wasnt the mother yet....
she also seems in pain for real even though...maybe the mother is a "good actress"? lol....like MRC tells william hastings' wife "you copied human nature perfectly"
For those like me who believe the mother is inside Sarah....was she there the whole time Bob\Leland was raping Laura or did she enter her later?
In twin peaks Season 2 for a moment there she is possessed by Windom Earle...so it's fair to day maybe she wasnt the mother yet....
she also seems in pain for real even though...maybe the mother is a "good actress"? lol....like MRC tells william hastings' wife "you copied human nature perfectly"
Not 100% sure it's supposed to STILL be Earle at that point and not Judy, but if it still Earle perhaps Judy claimed her when BOB took Earle's soul?
Many have speculated that Sarah was the girl in New Mexico who swallowed the frogmoth, so that would be one theory. Since we never have any confirmation about the girl one way or another it's open to interpretation, but Sarah is the only theory for the girl's identity that would connect the scene with what happens in the rest of the show.
I'm still on the fence about Sarah being frogmoth girl, but I would not be surprised if that is the case.
Also not really sure I would call Sarah possessed like Leland. I'm thinking she is probably a tupla/doppelganger.
I am in the camp that believes Sarah is Judy/Experiment Model. When she is purchasing alcohol and has her melt down, she tells the clerks that something happened to her. I think she is talking about being taken over by Judy. I think Sarah is Judy throughout season 3. I am not sure of the precise turning point, but given that Sarah/Judy stabs Laura's photo when Cooper tries to take Laura to the white lodge in order to prevent her death, I have to believe Sarah may be Judy even before season 3.
I am in the camp that believes Sarah is Judy/Experiment Model. When she is purchasing alcohol and has her melt down, she tells the clerks that something happened to her. I think she is talking about being taken over by Judy. I think Sarah is Judy throughout season 3. I am not sure of the precise turning point, but given that Sarah/Judy stabs Laura's photo when Cooper tries to take Laura to the white lodge in order to prevent her death, I have to believe Sarah may be Judy even before season 3.
The White Lodge scene proves to me that Judy is in the Palmer house and it's likely that Sarah was possessed by or became Judy.
If Judy was the entity that attacked and killed the couple in NYC, then maybe that was just before she went to Sarah. But how that all transpired, I have no f'n idea.
Thoughts?
I'm not as deep in the lore as some people here and really know just the show, but I wouldn't place any possession of Sarah earlier than her vision of the white horse, which I think was right before Leland killed Maddie. Clearly something has gone wrong with her, yet I never saw anything but a severely traumatized mother in most of seasons 1 & 2. If the girl from New Mexico isn't Sarah (and I see no reason to rule that out), she could be the mother of Carrie Page (after all, the Fireman sent down a seed with Laura's face on it just before all that, and this could be like the creation of Dougie Jones), but that's just me. Obviously, the white horse is a persistent image related to these questions about Laura, Sarah and Carrie.
I'm still on the fence about Sarah being frogmoth girl, but I would not be surprised if that is the case.
Also not really sure I would call Sarah possessed like Leland. I'm thinking she is probably a tupla/doppelganger.
Yeah I'm also not convinced that Sarah was the girl in 1956, as this would mean Sarah Palmer has been possessed (or changed in some way) from the start. I do think that she is possessed for all of The Return though - I reckon by Judy (who is also Experiment/Mother).
BOB (via Dark Cooper) spends most of The Return looking for Judy/Mother/Experiment. If Sarah had always been possessed then Judy/Mother/Experiment and BOB would have lived together for quite some time. BOB would have known where to find her as soon as he left the Black Lodge at the end of season 2.
I'm not sure exactly when Sarah was possessed but it has certainly happened by the start of The Return, judging from how she is acting.
Bob/Leland raped Laura many times. He gave Sarah sleeping pills or other drugs, that's why she wasn't aware of it. It is really hard to belive that Bob give drugs to Judy, to rape Laura 😉
I'm not entirely convinced she's possessed by anyone.
Either she was always like this, it's something new we don't know about, or Sarah Palmer is gone and has been replaced by Judy/Experiment.
If judy is what was in the box that kills the young couple and what goes through the box comes from other worldly places like coop went through its safe to say she wasn't in Sarah Palmer at this point so she wasn't in her through any of the first two seasons. The painting the Chalfont/tremond granny and grandson give to Laura in fire walk with me is how she got in the house so that comes from the stairs leading up to Phillip Jeffries I think . The place with the familiar wallpaper that we've seen a couple of times. Maybe that's what the creepy jumping man is overlooking. I think Sarah has been taking so many pills that she couldn't be entered . same way that Mike came through when Phillip Gerard wasn't given anymore halperydol in season 2 by coop and sheriff Truman when they wanted to question him about Bob and he led them to the great northern. She might have ran out of drugs cause there was a whole lot of bottles scattered around in that scene in the living room watching the boxing match, probably all empty , I think just before this scene was when she first got entered and when she was shopping she was somewhat still Sarah Palmer but when she left the groceries and ran out of the shop and the clerk said he knew where she lived and would deliver the groceries I think he did , so when the noise in the kitchen happened when hawk was at her door I'm sure that is the delivery kid sputtering his last breaths after having his throat torn up like the truck you redneck motherlover. This I believe to be the first kill and makes her thirsty for more and heads out to some random bar to refuel.
I think that Sarah was infected by frogmoth in part 8. Then, frogmoth has to wait for sufficient fear and sorrow to accumulate in order to control Sarah. This takes years of living the life of the Palmer house and also takes BOB finding and marrying frogmoth host in order to create a scenario where enough pain and sorrow exist for her to begin her manifestation. The drugs Leland fed Sarah so he could do what he did served not to stop her from realizing what was happening, but rather to ensure that at some point she realizes everything all at once. Creating a massive concentration of pain and sorrow in her, enough to allow frogmoth to achieve its goal. Sarah then does the only thing she knows how to keep Judy at bay (although she likely is only aware of something in her, not necessarily the most evil something in the world) she drinks and pops pills. She eases her pain and suffering and attempts to starve Judy out. This obviously is a futile endeavor as we see Judy slowly take over Sarah up until the final picture stabbing scene.
so Judy has been with Sarah for most of her life. She had to be fed enough pain and sorrow to fully take over. Which was stopped by Cooper and Carrie.
I have a hard time with the Sarah = frog-moth girl or even was occupied during the original 1st season of Peaks. Why would Bob drug her when he wanted to have quality time with Laura? Why would Bob not be able to know where to find Sarah (which I assume is why the Fireman changes landing points for Mr. C in episode 17) considering he is riding shotgun on the Evil Cooper train? Just don't add up to me.
I have a hard time with the Sarah = frog-moth girl or even was occupied during the original 1st season of Peaks. Why would Bob drug her when he wanted to have quality time with Laura? Why would Bob not be able to know where to find Sarah (which I assume is why the Fireman changes landing points for Mr. C in episode 17) considering he is riding shotgun on the Evil Cooper train? Just don't add up to me.
I addressed the drug issue in my above statement. Rather than Satah discovering what her hubby was doing and them as a family dealing with it, she deiccovers all at once the years of torment and abuse. This creates much more pain and sorrow for Judy to use as fuel.
After BOBs host is killed and he has to go into new host which is Mr C. He doesn't have the same memories and of course at this point Mr C/Coop are unaware that Judy could be in Sarah. BOB doesn't just steer his hosts like full on avatars. They retain a lot of themselves, succumbing to BOB at certain times and via triggers (anger, fear, lust). So while Mr C wants to find Judy, he doesn't know who she is with, maybe Leland didn't either. This is why he is after co ordinates and is regularly fooled by the information given.
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