Perhaps, looks like I need to watch it again ?
Yeah - Both my wife and I thought for sure he didn't have a clue who Richard and Linda were. He looks completely puzzled - and the way he says their names. He didn't even seem to be remembering that The Fireman said their names in the first episode.
Some thoughts I have-
1) Our Dale went back into the lodge with perfect courage and came out as hybridCoop. Diane knows that he is different, hence the intimacy scene where she can't look at him. This scene was back in time- instead of being r***d by bad Coop, she decides to leave hybrid Coop (and their travelling FBI aliases Richard and Linda behind). Further evidence of hybrid Coop: how he behaved in Judy's diner, and how he opened up "Laura's" car door.
2) The splice at the mountain. Log Lady, watch for the one under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain. The Dale we were happy to get back and hybrid Dale splice is here. These two Coopers can also be identified by different coloured pins? Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, our Dale has a silver pin while the hybrid has a silver and red (fire) pin.
3) We have a hybrid in order to defeat Judy- two birds, one stone.
4) Did you notice at 430,000miles the power lines were white?
5) Laura disappearing from black lodge while screaming (after she whispered in Cooper's ear) coincided with her disappearing from him in the woods (leading away from meeting with Ronette)
6) 7 knocks on Sarah Palmer's door- no answer, 6 knocks- an answer. What might have happened with eight knocks? I thought the meeting with Jefferies, the number 8,.... The dot moved from the left to the right, symbolizing an opening lock?
7) "Laura" hears Sarah calling her before she screams and the lights go out.
Your thoughts?
Bonus thoughts... "You are a tulpa" or "none of this is real" are what's whispered... To be revealed at the end of season four 😀
Yes, definitely good Coop intentions with nuances of Mr. C's monotonic stoicism.
I figure that Laura was yanked into the Lodge at 17 (no idea why) and then yanked out again at 42 (again, no idea why). And no idea why Leland would be in there if he hadn't killed her (unless it was hi doppelgänger). But he wasn't there when Sarah was going hari kari on the homecoming frame.
Brilliant analysis by you.
Thank you. I'm still trying to figure out the dual scene of Dale Cooper's face superimposed over the other scenes while time seems to have stopped. I was thinking that all future events from that moment represented only a moment in time but a long time travel in another dimension. Kind of like dreams can seem long but only last minutes in reality.
I would have to watch again to see whether the superimposed face of startle was just when seeing Naido or whether this was the same face when hearing what Laura whispered.
Someone in a different thread (sorry I can't remember the name) said that the superimposed Dale face "ended" one story of Twin Peaks, gave us the ending to that story, and what comes after it is something different. Right after that he says goodbye, hopes to see them again (in another life?), and all the weirder stuff happens. It's like he and Diane veer off into a new plane.
I wonder if Dale creating a new Dougie Jones had a hand in causing his identities and realities to crack open and split anew. To me this seems just as dangerous as changing the past with Laura
Some thoughts I have-
1) Our Dale went back into the lodge with perfect courage and came out as hybridCoop. Diane knows that he is different, hence the intimacy scene where she can't look at him. This scene was back in time- instead of being r***d by bad Coop, she decides to leave hybrid Coop (and their travelling FBI aliases Richard and Linda behind). Further evidence of hybrid Coop: how he behaved in Judy's diner, and how he opened up "Laura's" car door.
2) The splice at the mountain. Log Lady, watch for the one under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain. The Dale we were happy to get back and hybrid Dale splice is here. These two Coopers can also be identified by different coloured pins? Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, our Dale has a silver pin while the hybrid has a silver and red (fire) pin.
3) We have a hybrid in order to defeat Judy- two birds, one stone.
4) Did you notice at 430,000miles the power lines were white?
5) Laura disappearing from black lodge while screaming (after she whispered in Cooper's ear) coincided with her disappearing from him in the woods (leading away from meeting with Ronette)
6) 7 knocks on Sarah Palmer's door- no answer, 6 knocks- an answer. What might have happened with eight knocks? I thought the meeting with Jefferies, the number 8,.... The dot moved from the left to the right, symbolizing an opening lock?
7) "Laura" hears Sarah calling her before she screams and the lights go out.
Your thoughts?
Bonus thoughts... "You are a tulpa" or "none of this is real" are what's whispered... To be revealed at the end of season four 😀
Yes, definitely good Coop intentions with nuances of Mr. C's monotonic stoicism.
I figure that Laura was yanked into the Lodge at 17 (no idea why) and then yanked out again at 42 (again, no idea why). And no idea why Leland would be in there if he hadn't killed her (unless it was hi doppelgänger). But he wasn't there when Sarah was going hari kari on the homecoming frame.
Brilliant analysis by you.
Thank you. I'm still trying to figure out the dual scene of Dale Cooper's face superimposed over the other scenes while time seems to have stopped. I was thinking that all future events from that moment represented only a moment in time but a long time travel in another dimension. Kind of like dreams can seem long but only last minutes in reality.
I would have to watch again to see whether the superimposed face of startle was just when seeing Naido or whether this was the same face when hearing what Laura whispered.
Someone in a different thread (sorry I can't remember the name) said that the superimposed Dale face "ended" one story of Twin Peaks, gave us the ending to that story, and what comes after it is something different. Right after that he says goodbye, hopes to see them again (in another life?), and all the weirder stuff happens. It's like he and Diane veer off into a new plane.
Bingo. The ending to the whole Twin Peaks story was that exact moment.
Everything after was an epilogue/new story.
Some thoughts I have-
1) Our Dale went back into the lodge with perfect courage and came out as hybridCoop. Diane knows that he is different, hence the intimacy scene where she can't look at him. This scene was back in time- instead of being r***d by bad Coop, she decides to leave hybrid Coop (and their travelling FBI aliases Richard and Linda behind). Further evidence of hybrid Coop: how he behaved in Judy's diner, and how he opened up "Laura's" car door.
2) The splice at the mountain. Log Lady, watch for the one under the moon on Blue Pine Mountain. The Dale we were happy to get back and hybrid Dale splice is here. These two Coopers can also be identified by different coloured pins? Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, our Dale has a silver pin while the hybrid has a silver and red (fire) pin.
3) We have a hybrid in order to defeat Judy- two birds, one stone.
4) Did you notice at 430,000miles the power lines were white?
5) Laura disappearing from black lodge while screaming (after she whispered in Cooper's ear) coincided with her disappearing from him in the woods (leading away from meeting with Ronette)
6) 7 knocks on Sarah Palmer's door- no answer, 6 knocks- an answer. What might have happened with eight knocks? I thought the meeting with Jefferies, the number 8,.... The dot moved from the left to the right, symbolizing an opening lock?
7) "Laura" hears Sarah calling her before she screams and the lights go out.
Your thoughts?
Bonus thoughts... "You are a tulpa" or "none of this is real" are what's whispered... To be revealed at the end of season four 😀
This is fantastic. The hybridCoop reminds me of one of the recent Rick & Morty episodes "Rest and Ricklaxation" where they go to a spa and have the negative aspects of their personalities removed that become separate beings that subsequently try and kill the "good" Rick & Morty. Rick realises he need both/all parts of his personality in order to do all the things he needs/wants to do.
So, in essence, there is an end to the story. I like the explanation that the superimposition is meant to be a time/ story splice and ending to the original story. The BOB story was complete. Dale will always try to save Laura- good will always fight evil.
Perhaps Audrey's dream was one reality. Perhaps another reality is someone's atonement. It seems to be a loop bringing us back again to the beginning ("Laura" scream or yelling of her name). There are answers to many questions hidden in plain sight, if you look for the puzzle pieces and fit them together.
"The final curtain call" is an interesting comment. I have a theory about it but I'll leave it open to your own conclusions.
Meditation can really open up your thoughts around the mystery of this show.
I wonder if Dale creating a new Dougie Jones had a hand in causing his identities and realities to crack open and split anew. To me this seems just as dangerous as changing the past with Laura
I think Cooper (as a whole) is past the stage of concern for danger--you've probably noticed that the cosmos of the show is pretty much a shitstorm anyway. Identities are cracked. Identities are storylines, plots, narratives, points of view. For example, Lucy and Andy have a POV, a narrative, that's strange and sweet; Norma and Ed have a narrative that seems to have resolved happily. Twin Peaks, the stories of the residents, are saved (some of them anyway). Cooper and his team SAVED Twin Peaks. That's our happy ending. The messes and disasters of TP in season 3 seem like they can begin to mend and heal, and perhaps, be forgotten or smoothed over, except in the minds of people like Carl Rodd who will remember always.
Cooper the entity/soul what have you is bigger than Twin Peaks. Laura, the story of Laura Palmer, is actually much bigger than TP (Laura is the one).
Some of the stories are not resolved pleasantly at least, such as Sarah Palmer's and Audrey's. The door is completely open for further development of many of these stories.
You'll notice the nod to Audrey in episode 18 with the Evolution of the Arm saying her line: "Is this the story of the little girl who lives down the lane?" to Cooper, where Audrey said that line to Charlie. There could be a whole damn book/season just on THAT.
I would say that the closer a character was to Laura Palmer, the more opportunity there is for that character's narrative to be impacted/ distorted by the bizarre vibes we see in episode 18--vibes outside of the "safer" narratives of Twin Peaks.
I agree meditation can bring understanding--although it can also bring forth other contents of the mind, just so people realize that.
There are quite a few paths one can take to find value in this ending. There are clues and keys to this along the way. Studying history, studying the auxiliary texts such as the books, meditation, different kinds of dream analysis and Jungian psychology, art theory, comparative religion, Tibetian mysticism, even magickal studies if one wants to approach it that way.
Understandably many people don't want to be bothered with all that; I salute their choices to complain about the ending! That was my first reaction too--just OMG WTF.
I agree meditation can bring understanding--although it can also bring forth other contents of the mind, just so people realize that.
There are quite a few paths one can take to find value in this ending. There are clues and keys to this along the way. Studying history, studying the auxiliary texts such as the books, meditation, different kinds of dream analysis and Jungian psychology, art theory, comparative religion, Tibetian mysticism, even magickal studies if one wants to approach it that way.
Understandably many people don't want to be bothered with all that; I salute their choices to complain about the ending! That was my first reaction too--just OMG WTF.
True. Many components are used for understanding the many components used in its composition. David Lynch is big into meditation so I just thought that I would add that part as well.
hahaha yeah, I had to watch it twice before posting my thoughts.
I really like the notion of the hybrid Coop and want to go back and check those pins.
Judy is all of it. That was probably the biggest jawdropping moment for me--even more than the ending. So yeah, our little heroes, as great as Dale and Freddie and Hawk etc. are, (and Andy and dear dear Lucy with her true aim--girl has game) can't defeat it alone. The hybrid is a new thing, even with Agent Cooper's name.
I tried to find "Jowday" in a Google search but couldn't find anything. I will have to revisit the dossier and Nez Perce again... Or perhaps this will be in the final dossier.
So far all I can find is that "jaao dei" or "jau dei" means "goodbye" in Assamese (language from Assam, India).
No idea if that's intentional by Lynch or just a phonetic coincidence.
I agree meditation can bring understanding--although it can also bring forth other contents of the mind, just so people realize that.
There are quite a few paths one can take to find value in this ending. There are clues and keys to this along the way. Studying history, studying the auxiliary texts such as the books, meditation, different kinds of dream analysis and Jungian psychology, art theory, comparative religion, Tibetian mysticism, even magickal studies if one wants to approach it that way.
Understandably many people don't want to be bothered with all that; I salute their choices to complain about the ending! That was my first reaction too--just OMG WTF.
Good input and points. I am not a student of meditation but I do agree that Lynch is passionate about it and I can see that his desire to lay out several paths giving us the ability to follow those that may call to us is in direct correlation to the little I do know about meditation.
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