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I was watching the episode again and i noticed this.
Diane receives a message at the bar (SMS or iMessage) at 16.31, and she unlocks the iphone at 16.32 (battery at 79%). The message is an iMessage
She puts down the phone and starts shaking.
Then she "remembers" she take the phone again and starts replying with some numbers (coordinates). But the iphone screen is different now. The message is not an iMessage but a text message, received at 16.44 and the phone watch signs 16.45. Furthermore the battery usage isn't showed and the bluetooth is activated. She closes her bag with the iphone in her hand and we can see that the screen is changed again!
Later she goes to Gordon, Albert and Tammy, and before trying to shoot them she watches again her phone.
We can clearly see that the time is 15.52 (before being at the bar?!) and imessage from Bad Cooper was received at 15.50.
What the hell is happening? i'm pretty sure that is not an error or something random.
Any suggestion/hypotesis?
Do you think there were two Diane's in the hotel? One real and the other her tulpa? That may explain a number of strange things with bracelets, text messages that aren't identical, etc.
I think it would be much more interesting if the real Diane sent her tulpa to assassinate the Blue Rose Task Force.
I try not to look too much at the little details (text fonts and upper/lower cases, the day on Andy's watch, Mr. C driving by the same stretch of road, the extras in the RR Cafe changing between scene cuts, etc.)
These are minor mistakes common to any television or film production (just check out the 'goofs' section on any IMDB page). And, while David Lynch is certainly wonderful at his craft, his also not perfect. Mistakes happen. Continuity errors happen.
And, seeing is as how we're likely to only really have answers/resolutions to the bigger plot points, I'm not going to sweat the small stuff, especially since a lot if it is probably down to production errors.
Continuity error resulting from several takes. Simple as that.
Have some fun folks! It seems hard to swallow a continuity error excuse.
The time differences on the phones could easily be a continuity error - also one easily fixed with digital technology. The different phones? Well, maybe the prop used in one scene was misplaced for the second. The fact that messages are consistently different throughout the entire series (capitalization and punctuation) seems to indicate difference rather than very sloppy continuity errors.
The entire series has had a tremendous amount of audio-visual manipulation. No way these are simply sloppy mistakes.
I don't know what they are going to do with this but I suspect Coop will find the real Diane, wherever she is. He has too, right?
The entire series has had a tremendous amount of audio-visual manipulation. No way these are simply sloppy mistakes.
That's the point
I was watching the episode again and i noticed this.
Diane receives a message at the bar (SMS or iMessage) at 16.31, and she unlocks the iphone at 16.32 (battery at 79%). The message is an iMessage
She puts down the phone and starts shaking.
Then she "remembers" she take the phone again and starts replying with some numbers (coordinates). But the iphone screen is different now. The message is not an iMessage but a text message, received at 16.44 and the phone watch signs 16.45. Furthermore the battery usage isn't showed and the bluetooth is activated. She closes her bag with the iphone in her hand and we can see that the screen is changed again!Later she goes to Gordon, Albert and Tammy, and before trying to shoot them she watches again her phone.
We can clearly see that the time is 15.52 (before being at the bar?!) and imessage from Bad Cooper was received at 15.50.What the hell is happening? i'm pretty sure that is not an error or something random.
Any suggestion/hypotesis?
There's a lot of discussion on this very subject here: http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/discuss/twin-peaks-part-16/430/
No definitive explanation, though. Surprise, surprise.
There are 3 different message screens in the bar scene, 1 different screen in the hotel room.
I agree these are deliberate. Lingering close-ups, like the time on Diane's lock screen, I'd say are beyond question. How it fits with Diane's bangles switching around, or her having 2 cigarette packets in her bag in the hotel room but 1 in the bar, who knows?
In the story, the phones Mr C uses seem important (non-smartphone, Android e.g. at Convenience Store, iPhone eg at The Rock, encrypted iMessage or SMS). Same for the type of messages Diane receives and the punctuation differences between messages. Mr C is fastidious in his communications and being tracked, Jeffries has even turned to steam. Something seemed to convince Jeffries Mr C was Cooper, and Diane (whichever one*) seemed at one point in the bar to also believe she was communicating with Coop. * There are Qs about how manufactured Diane is fundamentally different to manufactured Dougie - knowledge of being manufactured, new personality vs old personality, no memories vs old memories, real Diane seeming to come through and hatching a plan she hopes will work, maybe even drawing the gun herself to kill the manufactured Diane.
The close-ups of the phones are impossible to have been recorded during the longer scene, they have to be recorded on their own, so 'multiple takes' and 'continuity' are not explanations. I've also seen some people claim creating the exact messages and timestamps is beyond the capabilities of the production, which I don't think deserves much response!
There is an explanation I can think of though for discrepancies that in a sense should be ignored, and that's a longer script or action was recorded, and trimmed in the cut.
Given how easy it would be to fix those time stamps during editing, I feel like this must be done on purpose
I been wondering if Real Cooper conjures a tulpa Diane from within the lodge after Mr C raped her (murdered her too??) Ever since we learned this week that real Cooper knows how to manufacture tulpas, I've been thinking he was masterminding something against Mr. C from within the lodge. Like he created Dougie, he created a Diane, etc.
This doesn't explain the shooting scene or phones, but look at how much time the camera spent on Cole's face as he was deep in thought. I wonder if he had been communicating with real Cooper somehow.... He certainly knew Diane was at the door, despite his "poor" hearing, and he seemed to know she had a gun. Maybe he knew a tulpa Diane was coming to kill them?
Maybe there are two tulpa Diane's on Earth and real Diane stuck in a lodge?
I am pretty much down the rabbit hole of thinking that the explanation for this stuff has to do with multiple realities, or "splintered time" - to use the phrase from Hastings' blog. I think there is just too much for it all to boil down to continuity errors.
I also got the crazy idea that maybe Mr C's text messages can time travel or something. I don't know.
This is a story that involves multi-dimensional stuff, and I also think that the flickering Frank, Hawk and Bobby at Jack Rabbit's Palace could be read along the lines of parallel realities, or something like that.
I just hope that there is enough confirmation to disprove the "continuity error" hand-waving. And I hope it is in the show next week, though it might not come until the Final Dossier.
Or at all.
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