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The perversity of this series is that the main character is someone bad, evil, whom we anyway like and so on, and his opposite, good Coop appears just in episode 16, and at least with me good Agent Cooper is not sympathetic, he is patronizing, conceited and unbearable. Dougie, come back.
So how did you last this long in the series?
Patronizing, concieted and unbearable?
Businesslike, to the point and in a hurry, more like.
I know how I'd be if I was convinced the whole of reality was about to disappear up its own backside and I was the only one able to save it. I definitely wouldn't care if I upset a few people on the way. Assuming there was anything left after, I could always go back and say sorry.
Mr C, OTOH, is seen as cool and all that because he's single minded, strong willed and definitely Alpha. People have a history of following such types.
In fact, forget the Alpha if you have a single minded, strong willed character. A certain Charlie Chaplin impersonator got away with it for years.
Don't forget the black clothes. Everyone knows black clothes are cool.
Cooper has the pretention of someone who knows.... but the thing is, he does know.
Cooper has the pretention of someone who knows.... but the thing is, he does know.
Yeah, this was the idea of it, we are supposed to assume that he has the insight and ability to read the situation like the old Agent Cooper did when he first arrived to Twin Peaks; for instance, when he said 'Its a good idea', then the doctor confirmed, or when he said 'I am the FBI'. It may be that he knows something we dont and is doing the best thing in that situation, and that this time Cooper has really 'come back' from what caused him to go mad before, and is now back with the dreams fully come around to exist again.......but at the same time, this same Cooper who 'knew everything' and also thought twin peaks was a 'genuine community where people really cared', the same one shut out Albert and his needed skepticism wrongly, was the same one unable to stop Maddie's murder.......then turned into BOB when he found out the truth of Twin Peaks......that it did not fit his dreams, now Mr. C trying to make sure the dreamer exists for 25 years....
The perversity of this series is that the main character is someone bad, evil, whom we anyway like and so on, and his opposite, good Coop appears just in episode 16, and at least with me good Agent Cooper is not sympathetic, he is patronizing, conceited and unbearable. Dougie, come back.
I think Mr. C is someone we (or at least I) love to hate. I am certainly not routing for him.
I loved Dougie/Coop too and I will miss him. But it was time for him to morph.
Exactly how is SA Cooper patronizing or conceited? Why do you find him unbearable?
I think someone who feels that way about Cooper actually really feels that way about Lynch.
There has been a trend lately to find Lynch pretentious and patronizing, especially since the whole TM thing.
It's a logical reaction, not much based on anyting deep, but logical.
FWIW, I'm similarly in mourning for the character of Dougie...
... and, to this end, if I understood correctly I think OP was commenting less on the "character of Dale Cooper's character" than on the abrupt arrival of a superhero who "calls shots," "kicks butt" and "take names," so to speak into a story that so far avoided such cliches. IMO, what made Dale Cooper fascinating/captivating wasn't his preternatural FBI skills but, rather, the juxtaposition of his cheerful mysticism, serene compassion and general equanimity with the cliched archetype of a virtuoso investigator who's "never afraid to play by his own rules," or some such similarly shopworn trailer voice-over cliche...
We saw glimpses of this other Dale Cooper in his tender first interaction with Janey-E and Sonny Jim and his heartfelt validations of the goodness of Bushnell Mullins and-- breathtakingly-- the Mitchum brothers' "hearts of gold."
... But all this having been said, it seems clear that Lynch's and Frost's narrative has now veered into comic-book genre territory... which could, OTOH, be an absolute triumph if they do for/with that idiom what they were able to do with soap opera.... But for this to work, IMO, they'll need to find a way to subvert the heroic momentum they've established. And who could possibly be better suited to do so than Lynch/Frost?
OTOH, much of the pathos of the "death is absolute, universal and inevitable" theme I had recognized in much of the series is now lost...
... so, R.I.P. Dougie Jones.
(*pours out a sip of coffee*)
y'all Lynches postin' in a troll thread.
Lol why would we change our behavior now?
y'all Lynches postin' in a troll thread.
What does this mean? I fear I misunderstood your post, Kdawg, but I recall elsewhere being boxed on the ears, so to speak, for defending Lynch, Frost and The Return from kneejerk "I didn't like that episode" reactions... And I thought we'd reached a consensus that criticism of any sort is fair game, here.
So who's trolling whom?
I think he's insinuating that the OP is a troll and us silly Lynchians are falling for the bait 😀
But don't we always?
And I would like to return to the Badalmenti's question, just whom is trolling whom? 😉
I think he's insinuating that the OP is a troll and us silly Lynchians are falling for the bait 😀
I see. Well, if the OP is a troll, than I'm a troll too... b/c I think there's a legitimate point to be made that Dougie's (and, for that matter, Diane's) exits radically upset the balance of the show thus far (and several of what I have found to be quite interesting themes orbiting in and out... )
But, as is always the case with The Return... we'll see!
Yeah I thought it was a valid post. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
There's actually very few trolls here IMO.
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