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I remember the lovely ideas earlier in the series that Janey & Sonny would end up riding off in the sunset with Dale. Anyone still putting money on this outcome? I'd be happy for them, but seems out of place for Lynch. Here's hoping the best for my boy Dale!
Dale will be fine, Janey E & Sonny Jim on the other hand will soon be dead.
I doubt this. I think that is an easy ending. Wouldn't it make sense if janey-e learned a lesson first?
What kind of lesson?
Janey-E could learn a lesson about sharing her dreams with a real husband, instead of a Stepford Dougie...
Posted by: cyndeewillow
I remember the lovely ideas earlier in the series that Janey & Sonny would end up riding off in the sunset with Dale. Anyone still putting money on this outcome? I'd be happy for them, but seems out of place for Lynch. Here's hoping the best for my boy Dale!
Dale will be fine, Janey E & Sonny Jim on the other hand will soon be dead.
I doubt this. I think that is an easy ending. Wouldn't it make sense if janey-e learned a lesson first?
What kind of lesson?
Janey-E could learn a lesson about sharing her dreams with a real husband, instead of a Stepford Dougie...
Well, yes, sure but was Dougie, let alone catatonic-Coop, actually a real husband? ?
Up until recently, it seems to me, she was one of the very few characters with an actively positive outlook on the future. The viewers know it's a facade but her ignorance is fueling her optimism as is her denial. In a sense she's the (not capital T or D) dreamer, at the moment, who is about to wake up in an existential nightmare. Her spouse is dead and she is unaware of that fact. He was also the creation of another mind; born of intention. He was a pawn in a cosmic game that she is also unaware of. How would that knowledge affect her? On top of that, an unknowing imposter has passively injected life into her marriage, provided financial comfort for both her and Sonny Jim, reinstalled hope in Janey-E and made her incredibly happy. She appears to be enjoying life again. All those manifestations have really set up a dreadful inevitability: a vicious downward slide from a fleeting ascension due to Coop awakening (and presumably abandoning). Her future situation is worse (aside from financially) than if Dougie had simply vanished without a trace, IMO. Adding, if Sonny Jim is killed and Janey-E lives, the impact would be magnified even further. All that said, I'm basing all this upon the presumption of her ignorance . . . but what if she isn't?
Another interesting side to this is if Janey-E, herself, is a tulpa as has been mentioned by others. How would sudden knowledge of that impact her identity as well as both her present and future? How would that impact how I feel about her and Sonny Jim as a viewer? Perhaps she and Sonny Jim will be transported to the Red Room and implode into golden pearls. The former family of tulpas would now be a family of golden pearls.
This is all quite a commentary on relationships, identity, happiness, self awareness as well as having an awareness of who and what is occurring around one's self, IMO.
An entire season could be spent on the next year of Janey-E and Sonny Jim post-Coop, and is why I hope that the Jones family situation is either handled with surrealistic grace (she has a higher purpose) or swiftly put out of its misery (the deaths or pearlization of Janey-E and Sonny Jim). It doesn't mean their deaths won't impact me as a viewer and I would partially, not completely, forgive a perceived cop out (because time constraints).
I really don't think the Jones family situation is going to end well and can't wait to get on with it.
Ultimately, I agree with fullgo's assessment that killing Janey-E would be an easy way out for her and Cooper. Not to mention, how are these last several days going to impact Coop if he remembers them? If he doesn't, then that would also be taking the easy way out, IMO (but those time constraints again).
Much of the above won't really matter if the electrical shock didn't zap Coop back into his identity.
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line.
I agree - a much more complex plot if either/both survive. I wonder if the fork knocked out the lights just as Chantal/Hutch are making their move?
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
Nor would I. Definitely agree that he'd defend Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and then once safe, set his priorities on what the Fireman told him and Leland asked him to do. He's got potentially reality altering issues to worry about. Janey-E's and Sonny Jim's survival definitely makes for a more complex plot line (that's part of what my going on and on was about. Just not sure there is enough time left to treat it with the deserved attention).
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
Nor would I. Definitely agree that he'd defend Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and then once safe, set his priorities on what the Fireman told him and Leland asked him to do. He's got potentially reality altering issues to worry about. Janey-E's and Sonny Jim's survival definitely makes for a more complex plot line (that's part of what my going on and on was about. Just not sure there is enough time left to treat it with the deserved attention).
Yes! Only 3 hours left. So many huge plot points. Major events can tie up multiple points though, and I have a feeling we're in for quite a roller coaster ride.
BTW - I like the way you bolld and underline what you're referring to. I copied. : )
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
I agree with this. He'll protect them sure, but then he'll want to find out what happened to Annie, if she's dead or just moved on without him. Either way that's going to take its toll. Then there's Mr C, Richard, Audrey, Linda, two birds one stone and whatever else the Fireman told him.
We got 3 hours left, and for a movie that's long, too long it most cases. With TP it's not enough as the hour goes by very quickly.
Dougie/Coop managed to protect himself from a hitman just fine last time without having to wake up.
#justsaying
Dougie/Coop managed to protect himself from a hitman just fine last time without having to wake up.
#justsaying
True, but the world needs a Coop that can play offense and not just defense.
#GoDougie
Dougie/Coop managed to protect himself from a hitman just fine last time without having to wake up.
#justsaying
True, but the world needs a Coop that can play offense and not just defense.
#GoDougie
#DougieIsGreatButBringBackCooperPlease
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Dougie/Coop managed to protect himself from a hitman just fine last time without having to wake up.
#justsaying
Dougie isn't helpless agree, but he took down a hitman half his size. Mr. C is a totally different animal. We need Coop back.
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
I will be very disappointed if Janey-E and Sonny Jim are killed off. It's unnecessarily savage and too easy to dispose of them that way. If it happens, it happens, but to me it would be in the same category as Audrey dreaming the season in a shower, only meaner.
I have a hard time with violence involving children. I couldn't rewatch the scene where Richard ran over the little boy. So I have a fear about Sonny Jim. More and more I'm thinking that he's going to be OK. Not sure about Janey E though.
I have no doubt that an awakened Cooper would defend Janey E and Sonny Jim against Hutch and Chantal whether or not he remembers them. If Janey E and Sonny Jim both survive, that creates a more complex plot line. I'm beginning to feel really bad for Agent Cooper. He's lost 25 years of his life, an evil doppelganger has assumed his identity and done awful things, and now when he wakes up he's got 2 huge battles unfolding in Vegas and Twin Peaks. Something tells me that Janey E and Sonny Jim can't possibly be his top priority even if they survive. I wouldn't want to wake up to that mess after 25 years.
Nor would I. Definitely agree that he'd defend Janey-E and Sonny Jim, and then once safe, set his priorities on what the Fireman told him and Leland asked him to do. He's got potentially reality altering issues to worry about. Janey-E's and Sonny Jim's survival definitely makes for a more complex plot line (that's part of what my going on and on was about. Just not sure there is enough time left to treat it with the deserved attention).
Yes! Only 3 hours left. So many huge plot points. Major events can tie up multiple points though, and I have a feeling we're in for quite a roller coaster ride.
BTW - I like the way you bolld and underline what you're referring to. I copied. : )
Most excellent!
(And I agree re: rollercoaster and major events. Can't wait!)
Fire walk with 
