Around the dinner table, the conversation was lively. Thank you but for now, the forum has been archived.
Hear me out. Standard disclaimer, I don't make any claims to be right about the idea and I'm not sure I even like it, but if I am on the money, I'll crow about it for the rest of me life.
You won't like it but at least consider this:
We don't know what Charlie does for a living, nor do we really know where Audrey is.
Charlie's desk is strewn with stuff, there are books around the place, he's tired and complains of deadlines. What kind of person would fit into that broad description? A writer.
Audrey is one of the characters who has gotten out of hand and taken on a life outside the story. Iain M Banks once told me he thought it was a pretentious thing for writers to say until it happened to him. How he dealt with it was to put the characters (two of 'em in this case) into increasingly difficult situations until they were killed off.
It's worth remembering that in Twin Peaks - this series, at least - there is no such thing as a throwaway line. "Do I have to end your story?" A dead giveaway but either dismissed or interpreted in some obscure fashion.
The fight scene at the Roadhouse, echoing the one previously. Writer's retcon?
Where does it all fit into the show as a whole?
Either a St Elsewhere ending, with Charlie being a meta version of Frost and Lynch. Oh please no.
Or...
Charlie is the next stage of being, above the Fireman. He's the real mover and shaker, the one who creates everything and by and large, leaves them to it. Took a dislike to Audrey once she went off script and became someone with a social conscience, so decided to teach her a lesson. Plays around with all the people she knows, the people she loves and even provides the ultimate horrible twist of having an evil duplicate of the man she loved rape her.
So, don't say you weren't warned. 😉
Hear me out. Standard disclaimer, I don't make any claims to be right about the idea and I'm not sure I even like it, but if I am on the money, I'll crow about it for the rest of me life.You won't like it but at least consider this:
We don't know what Charlie does for a living, nor do we really know where Audrey is.
Charlie's desk is strewn with stuff, there are books around the place, he's tired and complains of deadlines. What kind of person would fit into that broad description? A writer.
Audrey is one of the characters who has gotten out of hand and taken on a life outside the story. Iain M Banks once told me he thought it was a pretentious thing for writers to say until it happened to him. How he dealt with it was to put the characters (two of 'em in this case) into increasingly difficult situations until they were killed off.
It's worth remembering that in Twin Peaks - this series, at least - there is no such thing as a throwaway line. "Do I have to end your story?" A dead giveaway but either dismissed or interpreted in some obscure fashion.
The fight scene at the Roadhouse, echoing the one previously. Writer's retcon?
Where does it all fit into the show as a whole?
Either a St Elsewhere ending, with Charlie being a meta version of Frost and Lynch. Oh please no.
Or...
Charlie is the next stage of being, above the Fireman. He's the real mover and shaker, the one who creates everything and by and large, leaves them to it. Took a dislike to Audrey once she went off script and became someone with a social conscience, so decided to teach her a lesson. Plays around with all the people she knows, the people she loves and even provides the ultimate horrible twist of having an evil duplicate of the man she loved rape her.
So, don't say you weren't warned. 😉
Are you a Supernatural fan?
Somewhere around season 12-13, we were introduced in that show to God, aka Chuck the writer of the SUPERNATURAL line of novels. I had forgotten about that.
Very interesting idea. It is weird enough to be possible. It would also make my Charlie = Chuck Norris argument the last few weeks pretty much true so I can endorse such an idea.
Hmmm
As with every other theory on here, it's not something I'd rule out until proven otherwise
Not a Supernatural fan, although I have seen a few episodes, years ago.
The actor is a writer in RL, having written and featured in Miracle Mile, about his own life with juvenile rhumatoid arthritis.
@Charlie... I missed that one; do you have a link, please?
Here is one of my less than serious statements from episode 12:
I have it on good authority, "The Honorable Name of Charles Society", that my boy Charlie is the key. He will bitch slap Cooper awake, stare at Jerry until his senses are returned, successfully operate on that poor woman Richard tried killing, cast mother/experiment into nonexistance, use the power of his words to damn Billy to hell for messing with his woman, leave Audrey for fooling around, keep Bob as a pet blob in his fish bowl, and living happily ever after with the woman he saves from the lodge, Annie.
My fellow peak fans, the Charlie has arrived, our hero's will all be safe now.
Well, it's definitely no dafter than my idea and quite possibly a lot more sensible than many.
Which isn't quite an endorsement but then, I don't even trust my own ideas.
I like this idea because it seems to chime with the whole series where you have manufactured tulpa's, people living in a manufactured town like Las Vegas, the whole of the series maybe a dream state of Audrey.
I thought it was interesting that when we first meet Audrey and Charlie in The Return, Audrey is complaining about "standing around, waiting for a phone call".
We've seen that phone and electrical lines carry currents/impulses of electricity, and we've now seen that a ringing phone seems to be the preferred method of transportation from the teapot-Jeffries hotel room at "the Dutchman" to...a payphone outside.
Was Audrey waiting for a similar call? Is she trapped in between, having been intercepted and not allowed to return?
If we knew one thing about the old Audrey it's that she liked to sneak around and stick her nose in things she ought not to, often resulting in trouble (one eyed jacks, the bank vault). If she followed Dopplecoop angrily after he assaulted her, or if she suspected something was wrong with him - and if she wound up in the lodges, well, anything is possible.
Initially, I immediately took to the mental hospital theory - and saw Charlie as Audrey's manifestation of her care-keeper where her treatments were her "story." Audrey sees Charlie as someone incapable of understanding her goals... And Charlie sees Audrey as a nuisance who won't follow simple directions to achieve them. Akin to someone fighting a dose of medicine.
It does appear now that the "creators" of the inter-dimensional awareness/convergence is a much more important theme... So, I certainly buy your take as it goes along with other such theories , like Lynch=Cole, "the dreamer," and the whole Candie-naidO-Linda-dianE thing spelling Cole.
Hear me out. Standard disclaimer, I don't make any claims to be right about the idea and I'm not sure I even like it, but if I am on the money, I'll crow about it for the rest of me life.You won't like it but at least consider this:
We don't know what Charlie does for a living, nor do we really know where Audrey is.
Charlie's desk is strewn with stuff, there are books around the place, he's tired and complains of deadlines. What kind of person would fit into that broad description? A writer.
Audrey is one of the characters who has gotten out of hand and taken on a life outside the story. Iain M Banks once told me he thought it was a pretentious thing for writers to say until it happened to him. How he dealt with it was to put the characters (two of 'em in this case) into increasingly difficult situations until they were killed off.
It's worth remembering that in Twin Peaks - this series, at least - there is no such thing as a throwaway line. "Do I have to end your story?" A dead giveaway but either dismissed or interpreted in some obscure fashion.
The fight scene at the Roadhouse, echoing the one previously. Writer's retcon?
Where does it all fit into the show as a whole?
Either a St Elsewhere ending, with Charlie being a meta version of Frost and Lynch. Oh please no.
Or...
Charlie is the next stage of being, above the Fireman. He's the real mover and shaker, the one who creates everything and by and large, leaves them to it. Took a dislike to Audrey once she went off script and became someone with a social conscience, so decided to teach her a lesson. Plays around with all the people she knows, the people she loves and even provides the ultimate horrible twist of having an evil duplicate of the man she loved rape her.
So, don't say you weren't warned. 😉
That does make some sense when considering the things Charlie has said.
However , I still can't explain the look of fright on Charlie's face when Audrey says..."get me out of here".
Was that the author being surprised again by his characters choices?
So Charlie could be"the dreamer" then?
Once upon a time had a "writer" character as well and interestingly enough, we just watched Chantal blow his head off.
I'll admit it's certainly an outside-the-box idea, but likely not going to be 100% correct.
I include the percentage because I do think that Charlie is strange in some way. Something about his character is odd, and I can't put my finger on what it is. He is either a lodge entity, or, conversely, a complete figment of Audrey's imagination. It occurred to me during the roadhouse scene that he may end up being superfluous to the overall story. We'll see.
Also, I do think there are throwaway lines in The Return. Not every line is of import. So many examples, too numerous to even get into.
Still, kudos for sharing the theory. If you're right, I'll let you gloat 'til the cows come home. 🙂
We could as easily perceive Charlie as a writer with simple writer's cramp. Got stuck in a part of the story and may have to just end it.
He DOES look like he could be a writer, though. A lot of clues for that idea, so this may be significant.