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I suppose 'So you are Cooper' could be a bit of a bluff to play down the importance of DougieCoop? If MrC thinks he is acknowledged as being Cooper it may give him a false sense of security.
How could it be? Was this scene not before Lauras death, and before Dale ventured into the lodge? Mr C told Phillip Jefferies in episode 15, "You spoke to me.."(paraphrase)
I just posted this on another thread, here, but it's driving me insane:
What confused me is Jeffries/Giant's tower bell thing said something along the lines of, "So you are Cooper." Is he...? My brain was thrown for a moment, thinking maybe that WAS Cooper, and the doppelgänger all along has been Dougie/Cooper. It couldn't have been "bad" Cooper in the FBI office in 1989 (that was directly pre-Laura Palmer murder). And I understand that "Mr. C." has absorbed memories, blah blah blah, if he ISN'T the real Cooper...but I think to the finale of Season 2, where Cooper/Bob laughed manically in the mirror. This is the antithesis of what Mr. C. is, today - so stoic, so evolved. I dunno....
It's a strange one. I'm starting to think that Cooper was split up rather than copied. Dougie was a manufactured being (the original one), but maybe Cooper was just split in two, and the "bad Coop" was damaged enough to lose his faith in the light long enough for Bob to enter him and make him do all those awful things. Since Bob left him in episode 8, he's been different--still violent when provoked as in the arm wrestling match but not quite the monster that offed Darya. (He's still cruel but it's in more of a gangster sort of way--what he did to Ray was cruel, for instance, but Ray was arrogant to put himself in the line of fire.) Dale Cooper was always a superbrain and so is Mr. C. He just has no heart. Dougie is all heart and no brain. Together, they make Dale. My concern is that if they come back together, Dale has to cope with the bad things he did as Mr. C. So it's a flawed theory.
The Evil Cooper is Cooper...or part of him, anyway. Cooper's goodness was ripped from him and remained in the lodge while his dark side was unleashed in the real world, unfettered by any sense of morality.
Dougie was a Tulpa created by someone for a purpose. Initially I thought Evil Coop, as part of his plan to avoid going back to the Lodge. Now I think it may be something else.
Crazy idea:
Mr. C has no heart (Tin WOODSMAN).
Dougie has no brain (Scarecrow).
Phillip Jeffries is the Wizard (the man behind the curtain).
I don't know who the Cowardly Lion is.
Judy--is the one who will get Dale home.
Crazy idea:
Mr. C has no heart (Tin WOODSMAN).
Dougie has no brain (Scarecrow).
Phillip Jeffries is the Wizard (the man behind the curtain).
I don't know who the Cowardly Lion is.
Judy--is the one who will get Dale home.
The cowardly lion would be Andy.
Crazy idea:
Mr. C has no heart (Tin WOODSMAN).
Dougie has no brain (Scarecrow).
Phillip Jeffries is the Wizard (the man behind the curtain).
I don't know who the Cowardly Lion is.
Judy--is the one who will get Dale home.
The cowardly lion would be Andy.
I don't think so, Andy has been many things in both sets of shows and FWWM but cowardly has never been one of them.
Crazy idea:
Mr. C has no heart (Tin WOODSMAN).
Dougie has no brain (Scarecrow).
Phillip Jeffries is the Wizard (the man behind the curtain).
I don't know who the Cowardly Lion is.
Judy--is the one who will get Dale home.
The cowardly lion would be Andy.
I don't think so, Andy has been many things in both sets of shows and FWWM but cowardly has never been one of them.
But the cowardly lion wasn't actually cowardly, remember... he was brave all along, just didn't realise it.
OK so we've got a Wizard of Oz ensemble. We've also got Judy, Garland, red shoes and a witch.
Toto even appeared this episode.
Norma reminds me of the good witch.
We're just missing flying monkeys. Will disappearing lumberjacks do?
OK so we've got a Wizard of Oz ensemble. We've also got Judy, Garland, red shoes and a witch.
Toto even appeared this episode.
Norma reminds me of the good witch.
We're just missing flying monkeys. Will disappearing lumberjacks do?
Maybe the Laura-bubble will turn into Glinda the Good Witch?
OK so we've got a Wizard of Oz ensemble. We've also got Judy, Garland, red shoes and a witch.
Toto even appeared this episode.
Norma reminds me of the good witch.
We're just missing flying monkeys. Will disappearing lumberjacks do?
Re: Flying monkeys--we've the one that whispered Judy and Naido sounds like a monkey, and she fell through spacetime somehow.
I'm digging the red shoes, and the witch--in the original story there were witch sisters, right? Diane and Janey-E. Although I do like Norma too.
Good catch on the Toto dog.
I'm down with Andy as the Lion-hearted. Remember how he used to cry at crime scenes? He has since found his courage.
We're clearly onto something!
Yes to Glinda/Laura orb.
Yes to Judy-whispering monkey and Naido.
Is Ike the Spike a Munchkin doppelganger?
Hopefully it won't all end up reverting to black and white; being a dream. We've been dreading that.
OK so we've got a Wizard of Oz ensemble. We've also got Judy, Garland, red shoes and a witch.
Toto even appeared this episode.
Norma reminds me of the good witch.
We're just missing flying monkeys. Will disappearing lumberjacks do?
Re: Flying monkeys--we've the one that whispered Judy and Naido sounds like a monkey, and she fell through spacetime somehow.
I'm digging the red shoes, and the witch--in the original story there were witch sisters, right? Diane and Janey-E. Although I do like Norma too.
Good catch on the Toto dog.
I'm down with Andy as the Lion-hearted. Remember how he used to cry at crime scenes? He has since found his courage.
I think Naido sounds like a chicken, personally. The drooling prisoner sounds like a monkey. Plus, I'm inclined to think Naido is probably good and the drooling guy seems less than. Flying monkeys were the Wicked Witch of the West's henchmen, I guess.
There was a witch for each cardinal direction. I think two good and two bad, but don't quote me on that.
Dorothy accidentally killed the Wicked Witch of the East by landing her house on her. That's where she got the shoes (which are silver in the book).
On another note, I don't think Andy crying suggests less courage; just that he has empathy. Laura being murdered was awful. Andy felt sad that she had suffered and died. He just cared. That doesn't make him cowardly.
"In his first Oz book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900), L. Frank Baum famously created good witches in the north and south of Oz and evil witches in the east and west. The Wicked Witch of the East ruled the Munchkin Country, while the Wicked Witch of the West dominated the Winkie Country. Dorothy Gale met the Good Witch of the North, from the Gillikin Country, early in her first stay in Oz (Chapter 2). Glinda is identified as the good "Witch of the South" (Chapter 18), though in later books she is generally called a sorceress rather than a witch. She is consistently located in the Quadling Country."
Source: http://oz.wikia.com/wiki/Witch
Hopefully it won't all end up reverting to black and white; being a dream. We've been dreading that.
I'm fully on board with much that we have always seen with Twin Peaks are dreams mixed into scenes of reality. How much of each is the puzzle. I think that Tammy saying "Tulpa" is the key.. (thoughtform or being created from the collective thoughts of separate individuals)
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