Okay, this is my first post ever in here, TP fan since forever, but something caught my attention in this episode.
We all seem to think, that Evil Coop is the evil doppelganger of our beloved Dale. But since ep. 8, where the woodsmen removed BOB from him, he has been slowly resembling our Dale in certain ways. More determination, knocking out bad guys, etc. Most noticeable in this episode where he speaks with Jeffries. I would have imagined the questions Coop asks him to be the kind of questions that good Dale would have asked him. He seems less evil than before somehow.
Some holes in my theory probably, but has anyone noticed the same?
Maybe Dougie has been manufactured for another purpose? Kind of a plot twist, I know. Maybe "evil" Dale and Dougie need to be combined somehow, through electricity.
It's definitely a possibility.
It hadn't occurred to me that when BOB left Mr C, the old Dale could have returned.
On the other hand, people have noticed that Mr C is getting oilier / greasier / dirtier. Some have speculated that he may be turning into a woodsmen.
All I know is, Lynch/Frost continue to do everything we don't expect!
Oh, and hello and welcome btw 🙂
I'm not convinced that BOB was taken out of Mr. C by the woodsmen. As daft as it sounds, I think they showed BOB to us (the audience) before putting him back. Mr. C's eyes are still black and he still has superhuman strength. However, as we've seen in prison, Mr. C isn't always certain that BOB is with him and has to check in the mirror - and BOB never had superhuman strength so maybe that's nothing to do with him! Ahh!
Is is conceivable that MIKE is keeping DougieCoop alive so that BOB can eventually inhabit him?
It is also possible that Mr C can solve the case, the 'crime', the mystery, without any kind of return? He's got the same great investigative mind.
Well, if we go back to the last episode of season 2, we clearly saw the doppelganger chase Cooper when he was trying to escape the red room. The doppelganger in the red room had weird eyes. The Cooper that escaped the red room had normal eyes, but had Bob inside him. This leads me to wonder if it's the real cooper, but with Bob inside him making him do evil things. This could explain why Dougie Cooper is missing the real Cooper's mind, because the real Cooper already exists as Mr C.
Another theory is that the two Coopers are two parts of the "real Cooper". Everyone has good and bad in themselves. Maybe the Black Lodge caused Cooper to lose his good side, meaning he emerged with only his bad side intact.
I suspect that the good part of Cooper might be gone forever and we may never see him again. It's not beyond David Lynch to mess with us like that.
It's also possible that none of this will quite make sense after Part 18. I find it amusing when I see people concerned that there are now too many plot lines to tie up. Have they forgotten they are watching David Lynch? Since when did you see a David Lynch film where the plot lines tied up properly?
For me, Mr C being Cooper's shadow self is one of a small number of things that is obvious in the Return. I do, however, enjoy fans turning it into a mystery (and would equally enjoy discovering that the seemingly obvious wasn't obvious at all). I will admit that I saw a difference between the Mr C of part 14 and 15. He was less robotic (or reptilian/sharky as per Kyle) seeming and sounding. A little more life injected into him, I suppose, and this sort of parallels what happened with Coop in Vegas in part 15 (I chalk this up to cosmic rebalancing. Coop was supposed to confront Mr C in the Lodge, but Mr C, with the help of Bob, pulled a fast one. Mr C planned on replacing Coop, but that plan has been gradually going awry. Now that Coop has, presumably, awoken it is having an affect on Mr C, IMO.)
Oddly, I wonder more about Mr C's health. Have we ever witnessed him eat or drink anything? Does he even need to or does he subsist and sustain on garmonbozia and scorched oil? ? (I'll see myself out. Carry on.)
Evidence suggests Mr C isn't the real Coop. You are all forgetting the fingerprint thing.
As for Bob, it's not clear if he is still with Mr C or not. We saw Bob in the wound as Mr C was being attended by the Woodsmen but nothing to show him leaving or being removed.
I was a little thrown when Mr. C was talking with Jeffries, but then I remembered Dopplecoop had Cooper's memories so he remembered talking with Jeffries. When Jeffries says "So, you are Cooper", Mr. C doesn't answer.
When Jeffries says "So, you are Cooper", Mr. C doesn't answer.
Yeah, for me, that alone debunked the theory that Mr C would be the real Cooper. And then there's also the fingerprints, which SamXTherapy already mentioned.
BUT WE WILL SEE...! Who knows with Lynch?
I really don't like that theory at all, both for the reasons mentioned above and because it feels like a network TV twist and not a David Lynch-style twist. I mean, I think even M. Night would look down his nose at that one.
I don't like the theory because I think it is bollocks.
And I am an American, so if I go out of my way to use the word "bollocks" (and yes, I know what it means, wankers), I really mean it.
For me, Mr C being Cooper's shadow self is one of a small number of things that is obvious in the Return. I do, however, enjoy fans turning it into a mystery (and would equally enjoy discovering that the seemingly obvious wasn't obvious at all). I will admit that I saw a difference between the Mr C of part 14 and 15. He was less robotic (or reptilian/sharky as per Kyle) seeming and sounding. A little more life injected into him, I suppose, and this sort of parallels what happened with Coop in Vegas in part 15 (I chalk this up to cosmic rebalancing. Coop was supposed to confront Mr C in the Lodge, but Mr C, with the help of Bob, pulled a fast one. Mr C planned on replacing Coop, but that plan has been gradually going awry. Now that Coop has, presumably, awoken it is having an affect on Mr C, IMO.)
Oddly, I wonder more about Mr C's health. Have we ever witnessed him eat or drink anything? Does he even need to or does he subsist and sustain on garmonbozia and scorched oil? ? (I'll see myself out. Carry on.)
I agree in your disagreement and the perception of BOBCoop in the last episodes. I really like the idea that he is changing as Dougie's regaining consciousness. Mike said "One of you has to die" because they're occupying the same place or, to say it better, Dougie is starting to occupy his place again.
We never witness him eating anything else from that creamcorn-like food with Darya and Ray. Same for Diane and Sarah, they just drink and smoke...
Okay, this is my first post ever in here, TP fan since forever, but something caught my attention in this episode.
We all seem to think, that Evil Coop is the evil doppelganger of our beloved Dale. But since ep. 8, where the woodsmen removed BOB from him, he has been slowly resembling our Dale in certain ways. More determination, knocking out bad guys, etc. Most noticeable in this episode where he speaks with Jeffries. I would have imagined the questions Coop asks him to be the kind of questions that good Dale would have asked him. He seems less evil than before somehow.
Hi Kasper,
And, let's all be honest:
Weren't we pulling for Mr. C in the arm-wrestling match? (This happened to me before I even realized it ("C'mon Mr. C!, C'mon! - wait, what?").
Didn't we enjoy - just a little (okay maybe a lot ;-)) - him kicking the shit out of Evil Dick Horne?
For someone we all pretty much used to think of as Mr. Scratch, Mr. C is winning fans everywhere! 😉
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Well, if we go back to the last episode of season 2, we clearly saw the doppelganger chase Cooper when he was trying to escape the red room. The doppelganger in the red room had weird eyes. The Cooper that escaped the red room had normal eyes, but had Bob inside him. This leads me to wonder if it's the real cooper, but with Bob inside him making him do evil things. This could explain why Dougie Cooper is missing the real Cooper's mind, because the real Cooper already exists as Mr C.
There's another thing that bothers me personally: when Cooper awakes in the Great Northern, first thing he does is asking how's Annie. Why would the doppelganger, if that was him, ask about her?
It would be easy to assume that it was the real Cooper possessed by BOB who is then gradually consumed by evil and changes slowly into the evil and dark person we see in S03, but not with all the evidence pointing to the doppelganger not being the real Cooper.
There's another thing that bothers me personally: when Cooper awakes in the Great Northern, first thing he does is asking how's Annie. Why would the doppelganger, if that was him, ask about her?
that's an act on the part of the character as well as a narrative device that momentarily suspends our realization that he has been inhabited by bob. remember how he goes into the bathroom to "brush his teeth" & repeats "how's annie, how's annie?" to himself in this really sarcastic voice & he's just tickled pink by it. then the famous mirror scene happens which gives us final evidence that he is not himself.
I'm not buying the OP assumption, but hell, how can you rule anything out.
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