Maybe you guys got it immediately, but I had to watch the scene again. Its pretty clear Stephen has done something bad. Did Stephen kill Becky before committing suicide? He sounds guilty and afraid of being caught (panicking when Frost character is approaching).
The scene starts with his girl friend asking him "why". And him replying "there is no why, i did do it". The girl friend is justifying his action saying "no, she did it". "No I did it" he insists. "Steven, you didn't do anything, you were stoned, what the fuck did she give you?"
I think Stephen is killing himself out of guilt after killing Becky, a death possibly related to an over-dose of some sort (hence the back and forth dialogue "i did it", "no she did it")
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Or maybe he literally did nothing at all and only thinks he did because as Gersten says to him: "you are high."
Or maybe he literally did nothing at all and only thinks he did because as Gersten says to him: "you are high."
Doing nothing at all is out of the question. Gersten says "she did it, not you". She never says you did nothing. She is trying to convince him that what happened was not his fault, not to convince him that what he thinks happened didnt happen.
So who is SHE and what did she do? Isn't it clear that SHE is Becky in this triangle?
If Becky is not dead she is probably overdosed.
When I first saw the scene I was kind of bourgoise about it, paying little attention to the mumbling delirium of the junkie characters. Then, I saw the scene again with more empathy and not treating the dialogue as a "nothing".
Becky didn't seem to be as much of a drug user as Steven. That doesn't mean she didn't overdose. But I don't think he shot her, because I don't think that would happen off camera.
Becky didn't seem to be as much of a drug user as Steven. That doesn't mean she didn't overdose. But I don't think he shot her, because I don't think that would happen off camera.
Stephen's shooting is also off camera. Regardless, the more I think of it the more I believe she is overdosed but in a crucial condition (and not dead).
Becky didn't seem to be as much of a drug user as Steven. That doesn't mean she didn't overdose. But I don't think he shot her, because I don't think that would happen off camera.
Stephen's shooting is also off camera. Regardless, the more I think of it the more I believe she is overdosed but in a crucial condition (and not dead).
You're right about the gunshot being off camera, but the audience is aware that it took place. The last we heard from Becky, Steven was gone for 2 days and she was going to enjoy some cherry pie with her mother. That's what I meant.
Becky didn't seem to be as much of a drug user as Steven. That doesn't mean she didn't overdose. But I don't think he shot her, because I don't think that would happen off camera.
Stephen's shooting is also off camera. Regardless, the more I think of it the more I believe she is overdosed but in a crucial condition (and not dead).
You're right about the gunshot being off camera, but the audience is aware that it took place. The last we heard from Becky, Steven was gone for 2 days and she was going to enjoy some cherry pie with her mother. That's what I meant.
The "discontinuous timeline" people think that scene might be before she shoots up Gersten's apartment...
The discontinuous timeline idea would create so many permutations in my brain that I don't think I'd be able to even find my car keys.
The "discontinuous timeline" people think that scene might be before she shoots up Gersten's apartment...
In that case, Stephen.... did not kill himself under the tree (?)... Cause When Becky shoots the apartment Stephen is hiding on the staircase with Gersten (alive).
The "discontinuous timeline" people think that scene might be before she shoots up Gersten's apartment...
In that case, Stephen.... did not kill himself under the tree (?)... Cause When Becky shoots the apartment Stephen is hiding on the staircase with Gersten (alive).
I think she means the timeline would linearly go like this
Becky calls her mom, goes to the Double R for pie, then shoots up Stephen's hotel room door
Becky didn't seem to be as much of a drug user as Steven. That doesn't mean she didn't overdose. But I don't think he shot her, because I don't think that would happen off camera.
Stephen's shooting is also off camera. Regardless, the more I think of it the more I believe she is overdosed but in a crucial condition (and not dead).
You're right about the gunshot being off camera, but the audience is aware that it took place. The last we heard from Becky, Steven was gone for 2 days and she was going to enjoy some cherry pie with her mother. That's what I meant.
The "discontinuous timeline" people think that scene might be before she shoots up Gersten's apartment...
That would be me, for one. I think the Shelly/Becky scenes are presented in reverse order. Steven scenes (without Becky in them) probably are chronological, however. No logical argument from me on it. Intuition only.
But during Shelly's conversation on the phone with Becky you can clearly see the grazes on her elbows (shown previously, along with a graze on her knee, when she's in the van with Carl and Becky is on the way to confront Steven). So unless Shelly had manged to get scraped in the same place before too, which seems unlikely (you know, Occam's razor and all that) it would seem that the Shelly-Becky conversation did happen after the shooting incident, however odd it may have seemed.
I think that you are probably right that there some scenes are shown out of chronological sequence but just not that one.
Maybe you guys got it immediately, but I had to watch the scene again. Its pretty clear Stephen has done something bad. Did Stephen kill Becky before committing suicide? He sounds guilty and afraid of being caught (panicking when Frost character is approaching).
The scene starts with his girl friend asking him "why". And him replying "there is no why, i did do it". The girl friend is justifying his action saying "no, she did it". "No I did it" he insists. "Steven, you didn't do anything, you were stoned, what the fuck did she give you?"
I think Stephen is killing himself out of guilt after killing Becky, a death possibly related to an over-dose of some sort (hence the back and forth dialogue "i did it", "no she did it")
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If the gun Steven uses is the same that Becky used on Gersten's door, then the answer is most likely yes.
It was a weird scene (I can't believe I wrote that with a straight face). Steven seems like he is in the late stages of a powerful and highly toxic drug reaction that is killing him. He's pulling at himself, scratching, feeling a lack of control over his body, having sensations that are new and alarming that he's reacting to. He's been hallucinating a lot apparently. He's talking about seeing Gersten in some other realm, or not (I don't have the transcript in front of me but he talks about her coming up, almost like she's the sun or something, as he gestures to the sky). So I think it's hard to parse it logically. I thought maybe he shot or killed Becky--or maybe he just thinks he killed her, like Miriam. I wouldn't be surprised if he did something to her that knocked her out and he thinks she's dead. Becky dying or near dying would certainly throw a pall over the love scene in the Double R we just saw, if that's happening chronologically (which of course they wouldn't know about yet).
PS There seem to be two threads on this topic. Someone said in the other that Steven might be feeling guilt (maybe about the way he treated Becky and cheating on her? He doesn't seem like the type of person to kill himself over that to me. I suppose it's possible they fought about it and things got out of control.)
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