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"Some people claim that the scene is supposed to happen before Becky shoots Gersten's apartment. That can't be: Stephen is alive in that scene, hiding from Becky on the staircase. "
We don't know he's dead or even injured now. We heard a gunshot but saw nothing.
what if we never find out? will u assume that this abstraction was Stephen's death or that he just shot in the air? I think the scene is conclusive.
You know what they say about assumption...
It makes an ass out of u and, erm, mption.
😉
In this show, nothing is conclusive, not even being shot to death.
You know what they say about assumption...
It makes an ass out of u and, erm, mption.
😉
In this show, nothing is conclusive, not even being shot to death.
By the end of the series there will be tons of scenes like this one that will not be resolved by another scene explicitly explaining what happened to the character. To me, there is no reason to see any other scene to assume Stephen is dead. It's a character's final scene, made to fit the character: a man that nobody cares about, not even the camera. A man that noone ever noticed his life or his death.
I saw him rubbing his leg as it being numb (like the numb arm) or as though it is becoming not his leg anymore.
Great shout. These drugs being supplied by Red could be the gateway to possession of body parts by spirits. Feels far more zombie-esque than Lynchian but there's so many links (the puking kid in the car, Jerry's foot, Steven's leg, Sky Ferreira's armpit, 119 lady) that it seems to be building up to some crazy invasion attempt.
By the end of the series there will be tons of scenes like this one that will not be resolved by another scene explicitly explaining what happened to the character. To me, there is no reason to see any other scene to assume Stephen is dead. It's a character's final scene, made to fit the character: a man that nobody cares about, not even the camera. A man that noone ever noticed his life or his death.
May be true but...
Everybody loves Steven
In Ep 2, at the Roadhouse, Shelley is talking about her daughter being with the wrong person - and Rene says "But everyone loves Steven"
No sarcasm, nothing.
I find that odd, unless I'm just being very uncharitable! 😉
In Ep 2, at the Roadhouse, Shelley is talking about her daughter being with the wrong person - and Rene says "But everyone loves Steven"
No sarcasm, nothing.
I find that odd, unless I'm just being very uncharitable! 😉
I even rewatched that episode recently and completely missed that everyone loves Steven. I certainly do not.
Whether they are tripping or not, I get a sense that something catastrophic has happened. It also looks like they have seen something in those woods at some point.
Maybe they saw the guy that was with Leo when he threw the football in FWWM - we still don't know who that guy was
I saw him rubbing his leg as it being numb (like the numb arm) or as though it is becoming not his leg anymore.
Or Jerry's foot...
Whether they are tripping or not, I get a sense that something catastrophic has happened. It also looks like they have seen something in those woods at some point.
Maybe they saw the guy that was with Leo when he threw the football in FWWM - we still don't know who that guy was
(that was with Leo ) Could have been the deputy from Deer Meadow, who Bobby kills later in self-defense.
I am having a hard time understanding the Gersten and Steven scene.
Anybody have any insight?
They talk about «going up there», «when I see you come up», a few times. Steven not knowing where will it be once he gets up there. «will it be with the rhinoceros?», «the lightening in the bottle?», «or will I be like completely turquoise?»...
I kind of think they found a passage way in the sky.
Thoughts?
A recapper noted that the gun was "one and the same" as the one used by Becky to shoot up Gersten's door. Does anyone have proof of this?
The key around gersten's neck is a clue about the scene/story to let us know that it is similar to that in Mulholland drive (where the protagonist kills herself feeling guilty after having had her girlfriend killed. A key was part of the plot).
Its pretty clear that they are talking about Stephen's decision to take his life after feeling guilty for something he did and Gersten tries to convince him that it was not his fault. There is no doubt that this something has to do with Becky (she is the third person of the triangle): either he killed her with the gun or overdosed her.
Some say she is trying to help him realize that he did nothing and that he is imagining things because of his high. But she never says nothing happened, something indeed happened and according to Gersten "she did it". This to me sounds like 'she gave you the drugs that made you lost your mind" or something similar.
Gersten's reaction to run when the stranger appears shows that she is scared someone is coming for them cause of the death/overdosing. Stephen was in the woods hiding from the police.
Many claim that if he killed Becky this would be something we would see on camera. But, in Mulholland drive we never see the girfriend's death despite this event being the most important one.
We also don't see stephen's death on camera. This would be 2 deaths going unnoticed/unseen. The social commentary here may be about drug-related deaths that we never hear about or see, they hardly make the news. The life of the junkie is treated as the least important from a society that doesn't pay any attention to them.
The dialogue is intentionally rambling/delirious so it can be disregarded as insignificant and random. Its a simulation of how we would react in real life when we heard junkies talk: we would pay no attention to what they are saying, assuming it is all nonsense.
Lynch blames the junkie for their bad decisions but also society for not observing/looking and listening to these people. Instead the junkies are scared of society and society is scared of them (just like in the scene: the junkies are scared of frost and frost is scared of them)
And nobody is ever reaching to help them aside from the junkies that surround them: Stephen's only option for help is Gersten convincing him not to kill himself. Junkies are helpless people surrounded by other junkie helpless people who can't help them in any way.
When becky is looking up after Stephen's killing she is trying to look at the sky but the endless tree lines are hiding it. The sky is supposed to be salvation/hope/miracle (we see an obstruction's-free sky after the ed-norma scene) while the tall tree lines are prison bars/entrapment (the long trees also appear when Mr. C enters the space above the convenient store, making me believe this place is also a type of prison). Gersten remains inside her prison.
The aesthetics of the scene (the colors and composition) remind me of german fairytale depictions of children lost in the woods.
(Some people claim that the scene is supposed to happen before Becky shoots Gersten's apartment. That can't be: Stephen is alive in that scene, hiding from Becky on the staircase)
But a recapper pointed out that the gun he uses is the same as the one Becky used to Swiss cheeze Gersten's door. If that is truly so, then Becky is dead.
Could Steven be the one who shot at (Norma's) Double R diner (that incident has not been resolved yet right?)? Maybe that is why he is hiding in the woods?
Could Steven be the one who shot at (Norma's) Double R diner (that incident has not been resolved yet right?)? Maybe that is why he is hiding in the woods?
Hi William,
I thought that shooting was done by the odd, adult-looking, survivalist Mini-Me leaning on the van door outside the Double R. 😉
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Could Steven be the one who shot at (Norma's) Double R diner (that incident has not been resolved yet right?)? Maybe that is why he is hiding in the woods?
I figured he was hiding in the woods from Becky, because she tried to shoot him.
However, probably something happened to him after that (that was not shown), which may also be the reason.
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