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Gersten and Steven scene

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Posted by: dreamgirl_the

Yes she's wearing a key, but what struck me is that she's also wearing a pajama top. I think *that* is the key. What does this indicate? Someone is sleeping.

being the self-appointed twin peaks pajama authority, i have to disagree. she was wearing a western-style cowboy shirt in the scene, not a pajama top.

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 12:25 pm
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Yeah I thought so too, but that fabric?? 

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 12:30 pm
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Plus btw, self appointed pj authority is the best thing ever 

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 12:31 pm
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Posted by: SamXTherapy

What were we talking about?  Someone was talking about Alicia Witt's norks and everything else just faded away.

Don't tell me you found yourself in Buenos Aires again!

Ps: we're not going to talk about Alicia again!

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 12:42 pm
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Posted by: René-Gilles Deberdt
Posted by: SamXTherapy

What were we talking about?  Someone was talking about Alicia Witt's norks and everything else just faded away.

Don't tell me you found yourself in Buenos Aires again!

Ps: we're not going to talk about Alicia again!

The show is all about norks.  Twin Peaks.  Clue is in the title. 

😉

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 1:04 pm
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Posted by: dreamgirl_the

Plus btw, self appointed pj authority is the best thing ever 

I think that is the 10th badge

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 1:06 pm
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Posted by: Pantstrovich

Reminds me of the song Rhinoceros by the Smashing Pumpkins.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=139

I love that song. 

 

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 5:45 pm
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Posted by: buttercup
Posted by: Pantstrovich

Reminds me of the song Rhinoceros by the Smashing Pumpkins.

http://www.spfc.org/songs-releases/song.html?song_id=139

I love that song. 

 

You'll get on well with Myn0k.  He has a thing about rhinos.

Allegedly.

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 7:10 pm
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I learned a new term thanks to Alicia Witt, Sam, and this thread: norks. I love expanding my vocabulary, especially with terms that relate to twin peaks and Twin Peaks.

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 7:31 pm
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Posted by: James M Sweeney

I learned a new term thanks to Alicia Witt, Sam, and this thread: norks. I love expanding my vocabulary, especially with terms that relate to twin peaks and Twin Peaks.

Happy to help!  Seeing as we adopted many usages and words from the US, it's only polite to return the favour.

 
Posted : 22/08/2017 7:43 pm
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Posted by: Ame Solitaire

«I did do it» said Steven... What did he do or what did he think he did?

Was someone maybe on the receiving end of the bullets Becky put through the door of Gersten's apartment?

 
Posted : 23/08/2017 1:51 am
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I have been wondering if Gersten and Steven are actually Mother and Son. Wouldn't be the first time incest had occurred in Twin Peaks.

 
Posted : 23/08/2017 2:02 am
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I don't think there's enough of an age difference for that to be credible, unless she became a mother at 10, 12, or something near.

 
Posted : 23/08/2017 6:57 am
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The key around gersten's neck is a clue about the scene/story to let us know that it is similar to that in Mulholland drive (where the protagonist kills herself feeling guilty after having had her girlfriend killed. A key was part of the plot). 

Its pretty clear that they are talking about Stephen's decision to take his life after feeling guilty for something he did and Gersten tries to convince him that it was not his fault. There is no doubt that this something has to do with Becky (she is the third person of the triangle): either he killed her with the gun or overdosed her. 

Some say she is trying to help him realize that he did nothing and that he is imagining things because of his high. But she never says nothing happened, something indeed happened and according to Gersten "she did it". This to me sounds like 'she gave you the drugs that made you lost your mind" or something similar.

Gersten's reaction to run when the stranger appears shows that she is scared someone is coming for them cause of the death/overdosing.  Stephen was in the woods hiding from the police.

Many claim that if he killed Becky this would be something we would see on camera. But, in Mulholland drive we never see the girfriend's death despite this event being the most important one.

We also don't see stephen's death on camera. This would be 2 deaths going unnoticed/unseen. The social commentary here may be about drug-related deaths that we never hear about or see, they hardly make the news. The life of the junkie is treated as the least important from a society that doesn't pay any attention to them.

The dialogue is intentionally rambling/delirious so it can be disregarded as insignificant and random. Its a simulation of how we would react in real life when we heard junkies talk: we would pay no attention to what they are saying, assuming it is all nonsense.

Lynch blames the junkie for their bad decisions but also society for not observing/looking and listening to these people. Instead the junkies are scared of society and society is scared of them (just like in the scene: the junkies are scared of frost and frost is scared of them)

And nobody is ever reaching to help them aside from the junkies that surround them: Stephen's only option for help is Gersten convincing him not to kill himself. Junkies are helpless people surrounded by other junkie helpless people who can't help them in any way. 

When becky is looking up after Stephen's killing she is trying to look at the sky but the endless tree lines are hiding it. The sky is supposed to be salvation/hope/miracle (we see an obstruction's-free sky after the ed-norma scene) while the tall tree lines are prison bars/entrapment (the long trees also appear when Mr. C enters the space above the convenient store, making me believe this place is also a type of prison).  Gersten remains inside her prison.

The aesthetics of the scene (the colors and composition) remind me of german fairytale depictions of children lost in the woods. 

(Some people claim that the scene is supposed to happen before Becky shoots Gersten's apartment. That can't be: Stephen is alive in that scene, hiding from Becky on the staircase) 

 
Posted : 23/08/2017 8:21 am
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"Some people claim that the scene is supposed to happen before Becky shoots Gersten's apartment. That can't be: Stephen is alive in that scene, hiding from Becky on the staircase. "

We don't know he's dead or even injured now.  We heard a gunshot but saw nothing.

 

 
Posted : 23/08/2017 8:26 am
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