So, it looks like we got our Coop back (somewhat) after DougieCoop turned on the TV and saw/heard that scene. Definite awareness change and he was moving on his own in a very conscious way. Just hope he didn't undo anything with the fork in the socket.
Yes. He was actively maneuvering the environment. The fork incident woke him up; unscrambled him. Validates the ac/dc theory a bit. He's back and I think we will see that next week.
The theme of this part was cliffhangers, IMO.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
I think that statement was Jeffries getting confirmation that DirtyCoop is indeed Coops doppelgänger ... not that DirtyCoop is actually our Cooper
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
I think that statement was Jeffries getting confirmation that DirtyCoop is indeed Coops doppelgänger ... not that DirtyCoop is actually our Cooper
This is how I interpreted it as well.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
I think that statement was Jeffries getting confirmation that DirtyCoop is indeed Coops doppelgänger ... not that DirtyCoop is actually our Cooper
yeah, you could very well be right. i'm gonna have to watch episode again for sure. then probably another few times. this was a good one! i'm still ~halfway~ holding on to the idea that Mr C could be the real Coop though, only because i wouldn't be one bit surprised if David Lynch made it that way. it's not a solid theory, but it's possible
I have to admit the thought did cross my mind in that scene with the thought of how epic that twist would be! But I guess time will tell.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
I think that statement was Jeffries getting confirmation that DirtyCoop is indeed Coops doppelgänger ... not that DirtyCoop is actually our Cooper
Hmmm ok.
First, this episode was astonishing--just as good as last week's. And it really moved things along. Hit incredible emotional highs and lows.
My two cents is that I don't think there is a real good Coop and a fake bad doppelganger Coop. Mr. C. might be a Doppelganger but he knows EVERYTHING that Dale knows. Has all his memories, I believe. That's why he might be impossible to parse out as a copy to Jeffries. (The exception was earlier in the series when Diane was able to identify him as "off"--and the yrev glad to see you that Gordon noted--but at that point Bob was still with him, so I think that is what they were picking up.)
Mr. C. is bad mainly because Bob was with him, and he was able to corrupt something in Dale. Dale is a good, good man, but apparently not completely incorruptible. Mr. C. is Dale who lost his faith in goodness and that gave Bob a foothold. The really bad stuff Mr. C did was when Bob was "with him."
I think that the good Cooper (the woken Dougie part of him, the innocent and loving part) needs to merge back into the Mr. C. part of him (super smart, tough, capable, survivor) and then we'll have the real Cooper back.
If that happens, though, I am scared for Dale because would he not have to face the evil that he did in Mr. C? That's the only flaw in this theory, I guess, or really disturbing part for me. Buffy the Vampire Slayer went through something like that with Willow/Evil Willow, and they took a whole season for her penance and redemption.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
Yes, this messed with my brain. I was wondering if I'd been wrong all season, that Mr. C. is the "real" Cooper (but I like the idea of people talking about split/personalities). But this is so NOT Mr. C. in ANY way in how he's been presented in Season 3, so WHO IS IT?
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
Yes, this messed with my brain. I was wondering if I'd been wrong all season, that Mr. C. is the "real" Cooper (but I like the idea of people talking about split/personalities). But this is so NOT Mr. C. in ANY way in how he's been presented in Season 3, so WHO IS IT?
It's Coop's doppelgänger who has evolved, over the last 25 years that we weren't privy to, into the Mr C that we now know.
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
Yes, this messed with my brain. I was wondering if I'd been wrong all season, that Mr. C. is the "real" Cooper (but I like the idea of people talking about split/personalities). But this is so NOT Mr. C. in ANY way in how he's been presented in Season 3, so WHO IS IT?
It's Coop's doppelgänger who has evolved, over the last 25 years that we weren't privy to, into the Mr C that we now know.
Agreed .. that is Mr C/DirtyCoop fresh in his new world. The Mr. C we see now has evolved over 25 years
Also on the ABC show, effort was made to hit the mainstream tv audience over the head with what was happening, to "be sure they get it."
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
I think that statement was Jeffries getting confirmation that DirtyCoop is indeed Coops doppelgänger ... not that DirtyCoop is actually our Cooper
Jeffries ends the conversation and Mr. C. is tricked by the phone call into a portal that dumps him outside "convenience store."
That is assuming that DougieCoop is the REAL Cooper. In the scene when Mr C was talking to Phillip Jeffries, Jeffries implied that Mr C is the real Special Agent Dale Cooper, that's what I saw at least. That would mean that DougieCoop is the doppleganger, which opens up an entirely new set of potential theories.
I really don't know atm though, but I think this is a possibility.
Yes, this messed with my brain. I was wondering if I'd been wrong all season, that Mr. C. is the "real" Cooper (but I like the idea of people talking about split/personalities). But this is so NOT Mr. C. in ANY way in how he's been presented in Season 3, so WHO IS IT?
It's Coop's doppelgänger who has evolved, over the last 25 years that we weren't privy to, into the Mr C that we now know.
That's interesting because it doesn't seem that BOB evolves, ever. He didn't evolve with Leland, he simply "took". So, BOB is id and Mr. C. is ego?: "He is BOB, eager for fun. He wears a smile, everybody run!"
In Part 14, Ray told Mr C that someone calling himself Phillip Jeffreys commissioned Ray to kill Mr C because he wants something Mr C has "inside. " I suppose this refers to the Bob he is carrying with him. This means it does matter which Cooper "Jeffries " is dealing with in Part 15. He must know there are 2 Coops.
But the Jeffries character, both in FWWM and in this new scene, acts like he doesn't know or that it makes no difference. But I don't believe that a "merging" of the 2 Coops will resolve any of these mysteries.
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