Ok so some observations but also questions would love some help...so I have always since the start seen the experiment as a sort of Kali(Hindu goddess of birth, destruction, chaos, time and death) type figure. A badass Mother Nature that having been messed with through the atomic bomb created bob and unleashed her vengeance upon the world. I thought that when Sarah pulled back her face it was that dark part of the female psyche, like Kali the destroyer seeking vengeance for her daughter and against misogyny as a whole. My question is when we first see the blind woman and she is frightened is it of the experiment? Is there a parallel between Laura and her mother and then kaido and the experiment? Kaido is similar to maiden archetype where as Sarah representative more of a mother/crone aspect. Could Lauras soul be fractured; dark and light between kaido and Sarah. One must destroy the other? Ok rambling now....thoughts?
Sorry had typed kaido instead Naido.
I don't know about a Naido-Laura connection, but I do agree it's interesting how the evil mother entity found the mother of (apparently) a benevolent entity to inhabit. And that there's a motherly rage thing linking the two.
Yes lots of similarities in Babylon woman and Kali....essentially the same archetype. Really interested to see where this goes. As a woman was almost empowering to see Sarah retaliate in dark female form to very Trump like misogyny. Usually female deities are in 3s....maiden, mother and crone; perhaps Laura, Sarah and the experiment?? Totally hypothesising but so far the path of te hero taking a very Jungian route so trying to pick out archetypes and symbols from various mythologies. Clutching at straws but definitely seeing experiment mother as a dark female force wronged and mighty pissed off .Don't fuck with the dark mother anyway!
Really interesting about the 3 aspects of Babalon James!
"Babalon is a complex figure, although within one particular view of Thelemic literature, she is said to have three essential aspects: she is the Gateway to the City of the Pyramids, the Scarlet Woman and the Great Mother."
Dont know if you were reading the other thread on Naido where they were discussing her name as being translated as gateway to the self. So could Naido be the gateway, laura the scarlet woman and then the experiment/Sarah as the great mother? Fascinating. Great share
well if Leland was possessed and Sarah THE mother , Laura might be the moonchild
Thank you!! I posted about this in another forum and they just ignored it--guess it was too out there for them. I'll repost it here but we are on the same wavelength:
Hi all, I think that what's going on with Sarah is something older/deeper than the Lodge and Bob. I joked on Twitter that this episode proved Sarah Palmer is an old god (as in a void lord). All kinds of mythologies come to mind of the all-consuming "mother" goddess, like Kali. (I know there's a Mother in there somewhere--and in the series already. Are they the same?)
Given Lynch's association with Hinduism, the connection to Kali is worth noting. (Below is a quote from this website--
http://www.goddess.ws/kali.html )
"It is partly correct to say Kali is a goddess of death but She brings the death of the ego as the illusory self-centered view of reality. Nowhere in the Hindu stories is She seen killing anything but demons nor is She associated specifically with the process of human dying like the Hindu god Yama (who really is the god of death). It is true that both Kali and Shiva are said to inhabit cremation grounds and devotees often go to these places to meditate. This is not to worship death but rather it is to overcome the I-am-the-body idea by reinforcing the awareness that the body is a temporary condition. Shiva and Kali are said to inhabit these places because it is our attachment to the body that gives rise to the ego. Shiva and Kali grant liberation by removing the illusion of the ego. Thus we are the eternal I AM and not the body. This is underscored by the scene of the cremation grounds.
Of all the forms of Devi, She is the most compassionate because She provides moksha or liberation to Her children. She is the counterpart of Shiva the destroyer. They are the destroyers of unreality. The ego sees Mother Kali and trembles with fear because the ego sees in Her its own eventual demise. A person who is attached to his or her ego will not be receptive to Mother Kali and she will appear in a fearsome form. A mature soul who engages in spiritual practice to remove the illusion of the ego sees Mother Kali as very sweet, affectionate, and overflowing with incomprehensible love for Her children.
Ma Kali wears a garland of skulls and a skirt of dismembered arms because the ego arises out of identification with the body. In truth we are beings of spirit and not flesh. So liberation can only proceed when our attachment to the body ends. Thus the garland and skirt are trophies worn by Her to symbolize having liberated Her children from attachment to the limited body. She holds a sword and a freshly severed head dripping blood. As the story goes, this represents a great battle in which she destroyed the demon Raktabija. Her black skin represents the womb of the quantum unmanifest from which all of creation arises and into which all of creation will eventually dissolve. She is depicted as standing on Shiva who lays beneath Her with white skin (in contrast to Her black or sometimes dark blue skin). He has a blissful detached look. Shiva represents pure formless awareness sat-chit-ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while She represents "form" eternally supported by the substratum of pure awareness."
The dissolving ego, the love for her children (Laura), severed heads (which abound in the series), and the reference to "garland" (ie Briggs) --even dismembered arms (Mike, Ike) is noteworthy. Kali according to this lore is a demon killer. She has love for the worthy though.
This gives me hope for Sarah's ultimate redemption.
Ye for sure he's playing around with the mother as killer archetype which for me is very reminiscent of Kali but is found in lots of other mythologies too . Twin peaks always very Jungian in its approach to archetypes and the pathway of the hero like with its fracturing of the ego and existence of doppelgängers. So many mythologies to explore! Very excited to see where this Sarah story goes particularly as we see an uprising of this particular archetype in our own society at present. If only some killer mother was evoked every time some creep was horrible to you in a bar! Especially for Lynch interesting to see the feminine archetype explored more
Also the archetype of the crone would also seem relevant. Most goddesses worldwide regardless of tradition will have the triple aspect of the goddesss; maiden, mother and crone. The crone is often like a witch or a darker aspect of the 3. Like he morrigan in Irish mythology or Baba Yaga in Russian mythology or the portrayal of witches in different folktales. They can often seem cruel but ultimately are beyond human notions of good or bad they simply are. Often representative of the harsher sides of Mother Nature, winter weather etc but always come up on the heros path round the cosmos in some form or other in mythologies across the world
Naido is the ghostsoul of Josie just as American Girl is the ghostsoul of Ronette Pulaski. Both young ladies could -back in 1989- have been saved by Cooper (just as Major Briggs could have been saved by him) from the hands of Mother. Hence the Purple Room is the subconciousness of Cooper. I posted the theory earlier.
Interesting topic. I really like the idea that whatever is going on with Sarah is not as simple as possession or doppelganger (obvious everyday life 😉 ).
Contrary to possessed Leland who was assaulting his own innocent daughter or to Mr C who became high league criminal, Sarah's dark side emerged in more self defence act than just pure evil. C'mon this creepy fucktard deserved what happened to him as hell. I would even say that this scene was like a hidden fantasy came true. Fantasy of many women who are victim of this kind of behaviour on a daily basis all over the world... So Yes, I like the idea of Sarah's revenge, also really appreciate Lynchian feminist side.
It would really help to know for sure if Sarah is the frogmoth girl.
"The Return" might not just be the return of Cooper. It's also the return of the cosmic female power both good and bad.
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