If this has been mentioned specifically elsewhere, my apologies.
The fact that encounters with the lodge may escape memory helps explain Hawk's encounter with the lodge in the woods in part 2. Perhaps a better explanation than that scene being displaced in time is that he DID enter the lodge, and has no memory of it.
It seems the people who enter the lodge (Freddie, Hastings, seemingly Andy) remember but people near don't
We've also seen people who enter that particular point don't always leave.... sometimes their dopplegangers leave. Watch out for Hawk. If Hawk actually entered the black lodge at that point, then it is unlikely anything good would have happened to him.
For his sake, I'm hoping we were seeing a future scene.
I found it interesting that Hawk, who is the most practical and steadfast of people - and if I was ever in a crisis, he's exactly who I'd want - was relegated to a bit part by Andy. I think the 'vortex' - whatever it is - picks people with qualities that perhaps they or others don't recognise...
I think it is where the portal goes that makes a difference. Are there two portals in Twin Peaks or just the one. In my head I thought Glastonbury grove was different than the one near Jack Rabbits Palace. The red curtains which Hawk sees in part two is near the waiting room while the vortex in this episode went straight to the Fireman, while in Buckhorn the vortex went to a stairwell full of woodsmen. So are the endpoints of the portals/vortices different or does the person and time tell what they join??????
Great questions. The red-curtained portal is clearly to the waiting room. The others seem to have specific destinations but perhaps like an elevator, it depends on what buttons are being pushed. Gordon saw the dirty bearded men "in a room" (on the staircase) but he wasn't trying to see any specific thing or go any specific place. Major Briggs was at that same portal and one would think he had no interest in going to the same place the woodsmen hang out. Maybe he can control where he ends up. Still not enough solid evidence to be sure.
We still don't know why he knew that something would be happening there that night though, right? So either the scene hasn't happened or a scene where he figures out when to go to Glastonbury Grove is being withheld?
I have to rewatch because maybe it wasn't withheld we just didn't decode it properly. Specifically want to look at season 2 encounters at glastonbury grove to compare.
Possibly Hawk had the intuition to welcome Cooper on his scheduled departure from the Black Lodge, but due to the Arm's Doppelganger interfering there was a complication. That still doesn't give explanation to why Hawk never mentioned going there. So either he's withholding information, can't remember, or this is a later scene that we only got in preview.
Did I miss something from that episode..? IIRC Hawk was looking for the place where Cooper went into the Lodge, manage to barely see some faint curtains, but nothing more (because, no planetary alignment or whatever.) Then he came back home and looked for other clues than didn't involve astronomy knowledge. Did I miss something?
I think Hawk will have his own unique contribution to the plot. We have seen Andy's role play on his strength - steadfast character. Bobby had his contribution based on his relationship with his father and his father's trust that allowed him to share critical information about the location of the portal to the white lodge. I believe Frank and Hawk will have their moment as well. I believe Hawk will be the one to identify that Mister C is not Agent Cooper and kick off the take down of Mister C.
It seems the people who enter the lodge (Freddie, Hastings, seemingly Andy) remember but people near don't
Hi Sammy,
Different modes of entry. Freddie, Andy and Hastings were vacuumed in by vortices. The others through the ubiquitous red curtain surrounding a circle of crud.
Of course, they could be entering different lodges, too. The vortices lead to the White Lodge, while the puddles of sludge (Puddle of Mudd? ;-)) lead to the Black.
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I think it is where the portal goes that makes a difference. Are there two portals in Twin Peaks or just the one. In my head I thought Glastonbury grove was different than the one near Jack Rabbits Palace. The red curtains which Hawk sees in part two is near the waiting room while the vortex in this episode went straight to the Fireman, while in Buckhorn the vortex went to a stairwell full of woodsmen. So are the endpoints of the portals/vortices different or does the person and time tell what they join??????
Hi Jefferey,
Also note the different colors of the goop in the small stone circles in each location. The well-known black engine oil sludge at Glastonbury Grove, and the golden-hued molten liquid at Jack Rabbit's Palace. 😉
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I think Hawk will have his own unique contribution to the plot.
He already contributed by finding Laura's missing pages and thus the 'Good Coop is in the Lodge' message...
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