Plenty of other things on TV for the Bud Light crowd.
Do we really need a new thread bitching about the new series, every time there is a new episode? Why not moan in the existing threads?
Plenty of other things on TV for the Bud Light crowd.
And there's "that guy".
Do we really need a new thread bitching about the new series, every time there is a new episode? Why not moan in the existing threads?
There's some threads complaining about the series in general and then there's threads that complain about individual episodes. It's gonna happen every week just like on the flip side every week we will see "omg amazing episode" posts.
It's how an episodic forum works tbh.
There is a gulf of difference between Lynch fans and TP fans. I would take a guess that the latter group is more numerous and has more mainstream, albeit high brow/prestige TV/limited arthouse tastes. When this new show was greenlit, the TP fans understandably thought that it would cater to them. Clearly Showtime execs must've thought so too before Lynch rebelled, the channel caved and this production ended up catering to the hardcore Lynch fans instead.
I feel like this is where the essence of the conflict in opinions between the viewers comes from. The TP group feels royally ripped off because they don't like unfiltered Lynch and this was marketed as a continuation of TP, NOT a new Lynch film. I'm very much in this group. If I wanted classic Lynch, I would've seen the rest of his movies, not invested so much fan energy into TP and hoped for more of it. I liked this ep the most because it is the closest to original TP this season has delivered thus far. I rate ep. 8 the lowest because it is pure unfiltered Lynch, which I can only handle in moderate doses and most certainly NOT in the middle of what is supposed to be a TP run.
I don't want to convince anyone that the show is good, that you should like it (usually that's what critics/haters do instead of just stop watching as one would expect), because I understand one might not like it, not anyone might be a fan of Lynch (poor Mark Frost has to be so excited for the recognition he gets, well at least he avoids all the criticism) and I think it's all completely fine.
But do you really buy into this narrative that Showtime wanted the old show but they just gave up and let Lynch do whatever his whim was? Do you really think they would have allowed a product they hated to be aired only to make him happy? Like he really had leverage on them and not the other way around?
There is a gulf of difference between Lynch fans and TP fans. I would take a guess that the latter group is more numerous and has more mainstream, albeit high brow/prestige TV/limited arthouse tastes. When this new show was greenlit, the TP fans understandably thought that it would cater to them. Clearly Showtime execs must've thought so too before Lynch rebelled, the channel caved and this production ended up catering to the hardcore Lynch fans instead.
I feel like this is where the essence of the conflict in opinions between the viewers comes from. The TP group feels royally ripped off because they don't like unfiltered Lynch and this was marketed as a continuation of TP, NOT a new Lynch film. I'm very much in this group. If I wanted classic Lynch, I would've seen the rest of his movies, not invested so much fan energy into TP and hoped for more of it. I liked this ep the most because it is the closest to original TP this season has delivered thus far. I rate ep. 8 the lowest because it is pure unfiltered Lynch, which I can only handle in moderate doses and most certainly NOT in the middle of what is supposed to be a TP run.
I don't want to convince anyone that the show is good, that you should like it (usually that's what critics/haters do instead of just stop watching as one would expect), because I understand one might not like it, not anyone might be a fan of Lynch (poor Mark Frost has to be so excited for the recognition he gets, well at least he avoids all the criticism) and I think it's all completely fine.
But do you really buy into this narrative that Showtime wanted the old show but they just gave up and let Lynch do whatever his whim was? Do you really think they would have allowed a product they hated to be aired only to make him happy? Like he really had leverage on them and not the other way around?
Once he expressed interest and put it out there, he absolutely had leverage.
If he didn't, they wouldn't have blinked over his money demands.
*would have blinked.
I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the product. The idea that they wanted the old Twin Peaks but had to settle for whatever Lynch wanted to just make him happy is just delusional. If they gave him the green light is because they were okay with the ideas they (Frost and Lynch together) pitched and/or with giving them complete freedom. If they just wanted only the old Twin Peaks they would've flipped him off like other TV execs did with the original Mulholland Drive project and other stuff.
How much influence has Mark Frost had on this series do you think? I know, back in the early nineties, it was Frost who wanted to continue the story whereas Lynch wanted to go back and and make a prequel.
Can we foresee a season 4 with Frost having more influence? And if it did happen, would we go back to more of the quirky, soap elements we saw in the first two series?
I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the product. The idea that they wanted the old Twin Peaks but had to settle for whatever Lynch wanted to just make him happy is just delusional. If they gave him the green light is because they were okay with the ideas they (Frost and Lynch together) pitched and/or with giving them complete freedom. If they just wanted only the old Twin Peaks they would've flipped him off like other TV execs did with the original Mulholland Drive project and other stuff.
Couldnt disagree more. I think they handed him a green light and just banked on his followers to flocK.
The fact they ponied up after initially saying now is proof of their willingness to cave.
Showtime is hbo's little brother in the pay tv game. They jumped on this bc im sure hbo would have otherwise.
How much influence has Mark Frost had on this series do you think? I know, back in the early nineties, it was Frost who wanted to continue the story whereas Lynch wanted to go back and and make a prequel.
Can we foresee a season 4 with Frost having more influence? And if it did happen, would we go back to more of the quirky, soap elements we saw in the first two series?
I would suggest reading (or I would recommend the audiobook as some TP actors read their parts) The Secret History of Twin Peaks. That gave me a lot of insight into what Frost brings to the universe. I think he's responsible for the basic plot, characters, locations and mysteries but Lynch makes everything, well, Lynch
I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the product. The idea that they wanted the old Twin Peaks but had to settle for whatever Lynch wanted to just make him happy is just delusional. If they gave him the green light is because they were okay with the ideas they (Frost and Lynch together) pitched and/or with giving them complete freedom. If they just wanted only the old Twin Peaks they would've flipped him off like other TV execs did with the original Mulholland Drive project and other stuff.
Couldnt disagree more. I think they handed him a green light and just banked on his followers to flocK.
The fact they ponied up after initially saying now is proof of their willingness to cave.
Showtime is hbo's little brother in the pay tv game. They jumped on this bc im sure hbo would have otherwise.
I'm not sure you really understood what I wrote or paid any attention to it.
By the way, not a chance in the world HBO would have done it, maybe Netflix, but I'm not sure they would have been willing to compromise on the all at once release.
I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the product. The idea that they wanted the old Twin Peaks but had to settle for whatever Lynch wanted to just make him happy is just delusional. If they gave him the green light is because they were okay with the ideas they (Frost and Lynch together) pitched and/or with giving them complete freedom. If they just wanted only the old Twin Peaks they would've flipped him off like other TV execs did with the original Mulholland Drive project and other stuff.
Couldnt disagree more. I think they handed him a green light and just banked on his followers to flocK.
The fact they ponied up after initially saying now is proof of their willingness to cave.
Showtime is hbo's little brother in the pay tv game. They jumped on this bc im sure hbo would have otherwise.
I'm not sure you really understood what I wrote or paid any attention to it.
By the way, not a chance in the world HBO would have done it, maybe Netflix, but I'm not sure they would have been willing to compromise on the all at once release.
Why wouldn't hbo do it?
After all, HBO gave 2 seasons to Lynch's good pal Laura Dern's Enlightened, which is also a cult show with abysmally low nos at the time of airing.
Why is it so hard for fans of The Return to understand that critics of it are judging by the standards of other arty, slow, non-mainstream entertainment? It's a fairly safe bet that anyone who has stuck with it so far and goes to the trouble of making detailed arguments online is very much in the open-minded, indie niche of viewers. Dismissing them as escapism-loving sheep who 'just don't get it' and need to go watch some shoot-them-ups it is simplistic and infuriating.
Can we be so sure that the French lady scene is trolling impatient viewers, and not the uncritical Lynch crowd instead? Maybe exasperation IS the expected reaction and and he's grinning at the people who'll proclaim as art regardless?
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