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I've just watched the episode with my partner who spent the whole time muttering "this isn't funny, this isn't clever, this is just shit... shit... shit..."
Sorry about that, TCIL. I don't laugh easy but I laughed more in this episode that in any other.
I feel like Albert looks most of the time.
Lmfao!! ??? me too
I've just watched the episode with my partner who spent the whole time muttering "this isn't funny, this isn't clever, this is just shit... shit... shit..."
I saw a few friends who were like "omg that French girl scene was hysterical".
I just shake my head at that.
I just don't want to see women depicted in that way. So disappointing.
The scene with Gordon's woman was a total waste of time.
I've just watched the episode with my partner who spent the whole time muttering "this isn't funny, this isn't clever, this is just shit... shit... shit..."
You should watch TP with somebody else then 😉
The scene with Gordon's woman was a total waste of time.
Some ways in which it was not a total waste of time:
- wonderfully conceptualised, shot & performed
- ironically engages with film historical & gender-related issues (note Cole/Lynch and Albert's expressions throughout)
- its (temporal & overstylised) silliness is (potentially) amusing & cues reflection
- it is part of Lynch's ongoing engagement with deconditioning mainstream spectators (as are PT Anderson, Villeneuve, J Glazer)
- process revealing: negative/positive feelings evoked (this is sh*t/wow) & then sustained by thinking (its was a waste of time/what a mass art genius)
The scene with Gordon's woman was a total waste of time.
Some ways in which it was not a total waste of time:
- wonderfully conceptualised, shot & performed
- ironically engages with film historical & gender-related issues (note Cole/Lynch and Albert's expressions throughout)
- its (temporal & overstylised) silliness is (potentially) amusing & cues reflection
- it is part of Lynch's ongoing engagement with deconditioning mainstream spectators (as are PT Anderson, Villeneuve, J Glazer)
- process revealing: negative/positive feelings evoked (this is sh*t/wow) & then sustained by thinking (its was a waste of time/what a mass art genius)
I mentioned in another thread how much I enjoyed a second viewing of this latest part. The scene mentioned above wasn't a waste of time for the above reasons, but especially the comedic value. I wanted to know so bad what Albert had to say, and it only took the second watching to see how hilarious those actions by Gordon's pal are. She had no idea how many people were hanging on every single thing that happens and ALBERT HAS NEWS!
🙂
The scene with Gordon's woman was a total waste of time.
Some ways in which it was not a total waste of time:
- wonderfully conceptualised, shot & performed
- ironically engages with film historical & gender-related issues (note Cole/Lynch and Albert's expressions throughout)
- its (temporal & overstylised) silliness is (potentially) amusing & cues reflection
- it is part of Lynch's ongoing engagement with deconditioning mainstream spectators (as are PT Anderson, Villeneuve, J Glazer)
- process revealing: negative/positive feelings evoked (this is sh*t/wow) & then sustained by thinking (its was a waste of time/what a mass art genius)
I mentioned in another thread how much I enjoyed a second viewing of this latest part. The scene mentioned above wasn't a waste of time for the above reasons, but especially the comedic value. I wanted to know so bad what Albert had to say, and it only took the second watching to see how hilarious those actions by Gordon's pal are. She had no idea how many people were hanging on every single thing that happens and ALBERT HAS NEWS!
🙂
The scene with Gordon's woman was a total waste of time.
Some ways in which it was not a total waste of time:
- wonderfully conceptualised, shot & performed
- ironically engages with film historical & gender-related issues (note Cole/Lynch and Albert's expressions throughout)
- its (temporal & overstylised) silliness is (potentially) amusing & cues reflection
- it is part of Lynch's ongoing engagement with deconditioning mainstream spectators (as are PT Anderson, Villeneuve, J Glazer)
- process revealing: negative/positive feelings evoked (this is sh*t/wow) & then sustained by thinking (its was a waste of time/what a mass art genius)
I mentioned in another thread how much I enjoyed a second viewing of this latest part. The scene mentioned above wasn't a waste of time for the above reasons, but especially the comedic value. I wanted to know so bad what Albert had to say, and it only took the second watching to see how hilarious those actions by Gordon's pal are. She had no idea how many people were hanging on every single thing that happens and ALBERT HAS NEWS!
🙂
And then they went and did the same thing with the Audrey scene. Loved it.
I've just watched the episode with my partner who spent the whole time muttering "this isn't funny, this isn't clever, this is just shit... shit... shit..."
I saw a few friends who were like "omg that French girl scene was hysterical".
I just shake my head at that.
I just don't want to see women depicted in that way. So disappointing.
In what way? Ugh. Im already regretting asking lol.
One has to be able to step back and view it from a 'meta' perspective. It also helps if you can be self-critical about your own demands as as a viewer. If you can do that, suddenly you don't just get the joke but become part of an inside joke, and can enjoy watching or hearing people just MELT DOWN over the episode.
Which does seem kinda cruel in a way, don't get me wrong. But I think Lynch and Frost are teaching us an important lesson, and sometimes those can sting a little.
I've just watched the episode with my partner who spent the whole time muttering "this isn't funny, this isn't clever, this is just shit... shit... shit..."
I saw a few friends who were like "omg that French girl scene was hysterical".
I just shake my head at that.
I just don't want to see women depicted in that way. So disappointing.
In what way? Ugh. Im already regretting asking lol.
See my comments re: asking questions versus asserting opinions, here.
I find that most thread topics are pretty well labeled. If complaint threads are uninteresting or uncomfortable to read, it's incredibly simple to avoid reading them. I don't think it's productive to tell people how they should voice their complaints or that their complaints lack gravitas for whatever reason.
A person can love a work of art and still critique it, still have problems with it. It doesn't necessarily mean the critic doesn't "get it" or somehow isn't fan-boy enough. No explanation is required. Explanation is helpful for discussion's sake, but if someone wants to post, "This eposide/scene/technique sucked!" or "This episode/scene/technique rocked!" and leave it at that, that's their prerogative. It doesn't mean the poster is ill-informed simply because they don't have the time or the inclination to write a diatribe or a tribute. Sometimes a reaction is visceral and amounts to "WTF??" or "Awesome!!" I'm okay with that.
Yes, I GET that the French girl scene was meta and meant to be comedic. You have to be metaphorically speaking deaf and blind not to.
Problem is that the humour DIDN'T WORK. It was too smug, too obvious, too much of a piss-take at us, loyal TP fans who have kept Lynch's flawed creation alive for 26 years and made this minor miracle of its' resurrection possible. The moron hasn't been able to fund a film or show for 11 years. He is now getting this once in a lifetime opportunity to indulge in a whole saga of his creative weirdness with no controls thanks to us and us alone. And there he is - exasperating and laughing at us.
I just wanted to take that murderous-looking stiletto and shove it in his smugly grinning face in that scene. Yeah, Lynch, HYSTERICAL.
And those saying it's a comment on gender - it's an embarassing failure at one. If you want feminist, gender-challenging humour - watch Jane the Virgin, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt or Glow. Lynch has some bloody nerve even attempting to go there through his entitled prism.
I find that most thread topics are pretty well labeled. If complaint threads are uninteresting or uncomfortable to read, it's incredibly simple to avoid reading them. I don't think it's productive to tell people how they should voice their complaints or that their complaints lack gravitas for whatever reason.
A person can love a work of art and still critique it, still have problems with it. It doesn't necessarily mean the critic doesn't "get it" or somehow isn't fan-boy enough. No explanation is required. Explanation is helpful for discussion's sake, but if someone wants to post, "This eposide/scene/technique sucked!" or "This episode/scene/technique rocked!" and leave it at that, that's their prerogative. It doesn't mean the poster is ill-informed simply because they don't have the time or the inclination to write a diatribe or a tribute. Sometimes a reaction is visceral and amounts to "WTF??" or "Awesome!!" I'm okay with that.
Hi James-- Thanks for another thoughtful post, and my apologies for hijacking your earlier post re: 2x speed playback. I'm seeking a refuge in this forum from anonymous YouTube troll culture. I think the impulse to publicly broadcast superficial reactions is ubiquitous and tiresome. You are more tolerant of a wider variety of posts than I am, I suppose. Nevertheless, I think Facebook and Twitter are better forums for broadcasting "likes" and "dislikes" absent discussion or dialogue than Welcome To Twin Peaks. The kind of post that says-- "My snap reaction is this, who else is with me??" and secures validation absent consideration, reinforcing the illusion that individual taste is universal.
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