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“Were you here when they first came?”
It's not about the jerky.
So that logo does somewhat resemble the 'mother', but that still does not explain why Sarah would be disturbed by the new jerky and not the old, since both have the same logo on them. The difference between the two packages that appeared newly is the color, old one was red and the new was orange. Also there were a lot of references here to what happened to her with Leland and Laura, she warned the kids that the same thing was going to happen to them, and that 'men were coming'.....but how does this tie in with the 'new orange jerky', which the kids think are the 'same as the old one'? Mother is a sort of sick life, excessive, born out of the atomic blast that splits reality/law, mother is vomiting, like the crazed woman and zombie girl(Shelly and Becky), its arms bend back and it harms the male law/reality, while mother's compatriot is the woodsmen(Red) which also harms the male law/reality, and enjoys in the sick pain, the excess from the failure of reality/law. What is orange in relation to red in relation to this?
Laura was seeking revenge on the community/reality/father for what they did to her, took away the angels, shown they were not real, violating the law, etc., just like Audrey going off into affairs or dangerous situations to make up that her husband ran off on her, that no one 'paid her for her work'....Audrey is now under Laura's law, although she was not in the first series, probably because of what happened to her following her affair with the buisnessman and her dreams dashed, etc.(what a foolish idea that capitalist business man going to 'save the environment') Now it is about gambling with desire/red now, by directly desiring enjoyment(gold) in everything, everything is an exception to the law in which your desire can go easily('spreading it around', sleaziness/cheapness/quick, etc.) mix them together and get orange, desire everything directly outside the law, everything is just for fun, tear apart reality and the law with no consequences (like Leland and twin peaks did to Laura and didnt recognize the consequences/problems), Laura began to seek revenge, ended up like Audrey is now. Sarah Palmer knows the consequences of this 'orange jerky' which the kids think is 'just like the old one' (red proper desire, exceptional love, or exceptional sexual relations, etc.), it tore apart her family in a brutal way; and this 'orange jerky' is the model that gets realized throughout, like with Audrey and the people at the bar who are on the verge of driving each other mad and cynical/corrupted, they are 'breaking house arrest' and 'spreading it all around', 'selling their blood' and destroying themselves 'just to eat'.....not worth it...
In 'orange' enjoyment in everything: everything is the exception always, 'breaking bad'/carnival, mafia controlling the state/government is always outside of the law and scares the population with violence(Leland/BOB to Laura), then uses their 'protector' status to drain and enslave the vast majority of the population, then put them in rancho rosa to fight each other over who is more 'breaking bad', like their beloved leaders, whom old dougie tried to be like while being docile follower at the same time. This is 'gambling as insurance'(cannot be sad, culture of happiness, etc.), leads to disaster, no rational governance in twin peaks, aside from(Carl), so need to see genuine tragedy(Miriams situation, Richard, way people are acting, Sarah palmer, etc.) like sad song at the end, cant just skip by it, that work is going to remain unpaid and people suffering and dying....then, like the Laura Palmer tragedy, have to take it for the tragedy it is, cannot make up for it like they are doing, by hiding from the pain by 'selling their blood' to have fun, need to face up to it and try to do something....
That the ceiling fan is ON plus our attention is directed to it via the sound (pay attention to the sounds!) to me is a clear warning that something extra-ordinary is present. Sarah's behaviour could be explained away, but not that fan!
Sarah did say something in the kitchen.
Taking it wasn't someone but something though I agree with the thought that the cashier at the store did deliver. I couldn't make out his name tag but I think his name is Oscar so not one of the missing listed in other dialogue.
I think that when she asks is it smoked? It doesn't reffer to the meat as well, is like bad man are coming, smoked man I guess?
Apologies if this is off topic, but upon rewatching I noticed that when Cole tells Albert he'd like "to get back to this fine Merlot," Albert responds by asking "What kind is it?" Sarah Palmer asked the cashier "What type is it?" with respect to the jerky. Whether or not significant, these do parallel each other.
My thoughts exactly, MJ. I remember Sarah having a "vision" where she saw a unicorn in her bedroom, while she was lying in bed. This was either in season 2 or FWWM , I can't remember which. It seems that she has some kind of connection with the Lounge or something else, she is obviously disturbed by something. Interesting!
Sarah had a vision of a white horse shortly before both Laura and Maddy's murders.
and there was a white horse in episode 8! is there a connection? I don't know!
(mind=blown)
I was shuffling around episode 8, but couldn't find the part with white horse. Could you provide a timestamp? Was there a murder killing following the scene of the white horse?
It seems as if there's very strong biblical connection tied to the white horse throughout the series, as Sarah is witnessing visions of white horse before death of both Laura and Maddy. In the Book of Revelations there are four horsemen of apocalypse, each coming with a different coloured horse. Death is riding the white horse. Would fit in the Woodsmen mantra of "The horse is the white of the eyes and the dark within." as well. (An entity from Black Lodge is riding a white horse.)
My thoughts exactly, MJ. I remember Sarah having a "vision" where she saw a unicorn in her bedroom, while she was lying in bed. This was either in season 2 or FWWM , I can't remember which. It seems that she has some kind of connection with the Lounge or something else, she is obviously disturbed by something. Interesting!
Sarah had a vision of a white horse shortly before both Laura and Maddy's murders.
and there was a white horse in episode 8! is there a connection? I don't know!
(mind=blown)
I was shuffling around episode 8, but couldn't find the part with white horse. Could you provide a timestamp? Was there a murder killing following the scene of the white horse?
It seems as if there's very strong biblical connection tied to the white horse throughout the series, as Sarah is witnessing visions of white horse before death of both Laura and Maddy. In the Book of Revelations there are four horsemen of apocalypse, each coming with a different coloured horse. Death is riding the white horse. Would fit in the Woodsmen mantra of "The horse is the white of the eyes and the dark within." as well. (An entity from Black Lodge is riding a white horse.)
We SEE the horse in ep. 2. We HEAR it, though, in ep. 8
It is not the turkey jerky at all that has her freaked out- that is a misunderstanding on the part of the cashier.
"Without chemicals, he points."
I think that Sarah is using alcohol to keep something else in within her at bay. She's perhaps trying to keep the darkness (lodge spirit?) confused/occupied by drinking constantly and watching disturbing images on television.
She was obviously at the "convenience store" to restock her vodka supply, so we could assume that she had run out (and would be most susceptible to lose control). I agree with what others mentioned about her referring to the 'smoked' woodsmen when she asks the cashier where she was when 'they' came in.
Y'know, I really wasn't on board with Sarah being possessed and/or the girl who swallowed the bug frog. But the above makes sense.
"Without chemicals, he points."
I think that Sarah is using alcohol to keep something else in within her at bay. She's perhaps trying to keep the darkness (lodge spirit?) confused/occupied by drinking constantly and watching disturbing images on television.
She was obviously at the "convenience store" to restock her vodka supply, so we could assume that she had run out (and would be most susceptible to lose control). I agree with what others mentioned about her referring to the 'smoked' woodsmen when she asks the cashier where she was when 'they' came in.
The woman yellin 1-1-9 and Sarah, both close to breaches, both seem gifted, both probably without chemicals... point. I'm so with you fella!
LTLFTP.
The turkey jerky is a kind of doppelganger/double. Things in TP work in twos, and we know Sarah is attuned to the astral/cosmic things going on. She's spooked by the appearance of another double - the turkey jerky.
Also of potential interest is the date the jerky co. was founded - 1942. This is the same year as the first nuclear chain reaction, Chicago Pile-1. So I figure the turkey jerky, featuring this date, is a manifestation of the changes in TP, which Sarah is particularly sensitive to. A new double, founded in 1942 sets her off.
I was thinking Sarah had a dream/vision, and the new jerkey was in it. It was obviously a horrifying vision because she's very distraught at the sight of it, and has to know when it got there.
It seems like Turkey Jerky is a probably a reference to Laura Palmer saying to James that she was "long gone like a turkey in the corn...gobble, gobble, gobble." When Sarah Palmer asked if it was "smoked", well, yeah Laura was smoked alright by Sarah's jerk of a husband inhabited by Bob. The Black Lodge chowed down on a nice creamed-corn buffet of pain when Laura Palmer got smoked.
But no bad deed goes unpunished. Laura was sent by the White Lodge to Earth to even the score with Bob and the Black Lodge, a "turkey in their corn" so to speak.
Creamed corn (Garmonbozia=pain and suffering) is the food of choice of Black Lodge inhabitants. Ironically Laura came to gobble up their abiliyy to dish out a world of hurt on Earth's inhabitants. Through her life and death she absorbed Bob's evil. Laura is the White Lodge solution to Bob, a counter balance between good and evil.
I have to point out the hilarious X-Files/alien reference to corn. Transgenic corn in the X-Files movie contained alien DNA. In Twin Peaks The Return, the new Chief of Staff of the FBI is "Denise", a cross-dressing transgender David Duchovny, previous incarnation, Agent Mulder of the X-Files (a true Lynchian doppelganger).
The imagry of the turkey + corn and smoke + fire showed up on Hawk's map. Smoke and fire is part of the Twin Peaks lexicon. Where there is a certain kind of fire the portal opens between Earth and the Black Lodge. The A Bomb was a huge tear in the interdimensional walls. The poem "Firewalk With Me" opens the human who says it to possession by Black Lodge inhabitants. "Gotta light?" "Firewalk With Me" is an invocation. Where those words are spoken or written Black Lodge inhabitants can cross over. So where there is smoke there is fire. We know the Black Lodge inhabitants lived above a convenience store and in Episode 8 we saw them coming and going, bringing their smoked jerky with them.
Look at the chain smokers of Twin Peaks. Take Richard for example, the likely the son of Audrey Horne and Bob. You see him smoking a cigarette in front of a "no smoking" sign. Poor Sarah Palmer is always lighting up. She may be the girl who swallowed the bug (Laura Palmer). She has been on the front lines, the interdimensional edge, getting glimpses and having nightmares of it most of her life. She chain smokes and from her meltdown at the convenience store we know when she drinks Wild Turkey she is a wild turkey.
Diane, another chain smoker has the coordinates pointing to Twin Peaks. I'm guessing that the town is about to light up. I think the Log Lady got it right. There is fire where we are going. I just wanna know what the weird symbol is on Hawk's map, the one that we don't wanna know about. I think we are headed in its general direction in upcoming episodes. Coordinates FUBAR.
Fire walk with 
