Impatience - A perspective  

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(@roberto_bella)
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Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: Roberto Bella

I don't have any problem with the OP's point. I would make the same defense of any artist who makes interesting work that doesn't play by the rules.

But the other side of me feels this way (copied from other thread):

There's this super fine line between letting a scene slowly play out and indulging a directorial quirk that can frustrate some viewers.

I've read before that many filmmakers like to go from less cutting in the early stages of a movie, to more in the later stages, to 'speed up' the story, if you will.

The frustration that some viewers have had (including me) with eps 10-12 is that there are SO MANY interesting unresolved plots playing out right now, that we start to think / feel that none will reach satisfactory conclusions. That's an overreaction of course, but I understand why people feel that way.

The Twin Peaks revival has been exciting, unique, and totally smart (unlike most TV) but I still feel the right to criticize things that seem overly indulgent. And Mr. Lynch is well within his rights to say "Fuck you, Albert" to me or any other viewer. :->

Roberto -- thanks for your even-handed approach here. Everything you've said makes sense to me, save for one sticky phrase. "Satisfactory conclusion" is where we differ. In another hot beef thread, the point I laboriously, but crudely, attempted to make-- to the justifiable condemnation of many here-- was simply that presuming there to be "satisfactory" conclusions/resolutions of plot threads is, well, presumptious. It takes for granted that a certain set of expectations obtain here that The Return has all but demanded (by this point) we leave at the door.

 

I have no doubt we could go round in fun circles on these points. :->

'Satisfactory Conclusion' is obviously VERY subjective. If Diane's relationship to Cooper is not explained before the end of season I would consider that very unsatisfactory since so much time was invested in the set-up. Others might be fine with the ambiguity.

Lynch could hypothetically say, "I didn't feel like telling that whole story right now." And I could say, "Ok, sure, but fuck you Albert." hahaha

We vent when we care. If the show was bullshit, which it's so not, then we would just go on to the next channel without comment.

I make art too. I always reserve the right to do whatever I feel like in my art. But when the art is complete I accept the fact that I may have totally alienated my previous audience if I decided to put out something in which I stare up my own asshole for hours. The audience is entitled to ANY reaction it pleases. Then debate ensues.

I consider Twin Peaks for the most part an engagingly bonkers adventure. I don't think I'd wanna hang out with David Lynch for any period of time, however. hahahah

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Posted : 02/08/2017 3:58 pm
(@jon)
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Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: Badalamenti Fan
Posted by: Nick Fugazzy

dont talk down to people, it makes you look bad

Helpfully, several forum participants pointed out my hypocrisy in another thread. 

Unless I'm mistaken, this post might be a good candidate for the same treatment, no?

Then again, here we're at infinite regress again.  I retract what I see can easily be perceived as my talking down to Nick's (perceived) talking down to Jon's (perceived) talking down to...   etc.

Haha! 🙂  We may come out as disoriented as Coop 🙂

I've found it useful to ask of a person what exactly they meant by something or for them to elaborate. This is because no matter how something is worded many interpretations are inevitable. I don't see this as a failing of the writer or the reader but just of words themselves. Sometimes a stare really is worth more than all of the words we can assemble.

My post and my reply here isn't out of self importance, anger, or frustration but rather I wanted to convey an idea that isn't always talked about which is that emotions which are often perceived as negative and to be avoided, like impatience, are actually very valuable. Things that create these emotions, especially in art, are valuable opportunities to look at these emotions. Judging these emotions, pushing them away, or telling others not to have them is not beneficial. What is beneficial is really examining them to their core.

The reason I'm putting in the time here is because I feel it's a very interesting and important phenomenon, that is, impatience and seeking convenience. At the root of impatience is unsatisfactoriness which is a result of not accepting things for what they are.

So called negative emotions are valuable if we look at them rather than push them away and blame things outside of us.

I think this is so important because as we all painfully know, the pursuit of convenience is literally destroying the world. This is something I perceive as a message in The Return.

Back to lurking and enjoying 🙂

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Posted : 02/08/2017 4:09 pm
(@badalamenti-fan)
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I think this is so important because as we all painfully know, the pursuit of convenience is literally destroying the world. This is something I perceive as a message in The Return.

Back to lurking and enjoying 🙂

Nice, Shakuhachi Jon.   I think you've maybe inadvertently nailed what most interests me-- positing themes, context, significance of The Return.  Convenience and self destruction are big themes, IMO. 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 4:42 pm
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Lol...were 12 hours (or 12 weeks) through essentially an 18 hour movie.

People have every right to be impatient...if you can even call it that.

This is new territory for Lynch...he's never done an 18 hour movie.  Pacing it in the same manner as a 3 hour movie is a gutsy move.  We don't know if it pays off yet but it's safe to say some episodes have been a chore to get through.  When a 10 minute slow scene in Inland Empire is an hour long episode, that we had to wait a week for, in The Return...it's common sense that can lead to antsy and impatient viewers.

Search within and ask yourself why others impatience makes you so impatient.

 

 

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Posted : 02/08/2017 10:34 pm
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Posted by: Zack Sisson

Lol...were 12 hours (or 12 weeks) through essentially an 18 hour movie.

People have every right to be impatient...if you can even call it that.

This is new territory for Lynch...he's never done an 18 hour movie.  Pacing it in the same manner as a 3 hour movie is a gutsy move.  We don't know if it pays off yet but it's safe to say some episodes have been a chore to get through.  When a 10 minute slow scene in Inland Empire is an hour long episode, that we had to wait a week for, in The Return...it's common sense that can lead to antsy and impatient viewers.

Search within and ask yourself why others impatience makes you so impatient.

 

 

Nailed it ----^

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Posted : 03/08/2017 12:25 am
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