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(@arcadesonfire)
Roadhouse Regular

I don't think that scene was quite reality. It was either a psychotherapy session like when Ben Horne had to act out being General Lee or, more likely, it was a dream--given how much the conversation resembled a teenage Audrey yelling at her business-man father.

That's where I place my bet at the moment.

And if it was complete reality (for Twin Peaks), the marriage is some kind of "contract," so I don't see any love at the beginning of it.

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Posted : 03/08/2017 5:59 pm Claire Driver and Jocelyn Rowe liked
(@arcadesonfire)
Roadhouse Regular

BTW, "Natural Log - e" is the best moniker here. Hahaha. Go math go!

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Posted : 03/08/2017 6:02 pm cyndeewillow liked
(@silentbobni)
Roadhouse Regular

I'm not saying I'm hilarious but this is one of my better ones

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Posted : 03/08/2017 6:56 pm Marian Rubey and Jocelyn Rowe liked
(@bswise)
Town Visitor

I agree with everyone above that this scene is dissociative- from reality, identity, and the present day.  The room could be in the 1930's.  Charlie and Audrey stay rooted to the exact same spots throughout the conversation (an argument about getting up and going somewhere), and we don't see either of their legs (except maybe a glimpse of one of Charlie's under the desk). However, that's the town and show of Twin Peaks for you. 

Taken at face value, I think the scene makes perfect narrative sense, if "Chuck" and Richard Horne are actually one in the same.  Here's my theory:

1. As discussed, Audrey is Richard's mother, and "Mr. C" is the biological father.

2. Possibly, Ben arranged this marriage for poor Audrey so that she and her unexpected children (Richard and Linda?) would be taken care of.

3. Audrey and Charlie named him Richard "Charles" Horne, after his new step-dad, but part of the contract Charlie mentions is that she and the kids kept the prestigious Horne name. But, they called Richard "Chuck," or "Little Chuckie," a name he likely grew up hating along with his entire family. 

4. Ben says Richard "Never Had a Father," because Charlie was, well, Charlie, and always behind his desk pushing papers, so he never took any interest in little "Chuck."

5. As a result, Richard/Chuck was an ever increasingly angry pain in the ass for everyone, leading to worse and worse encounters with the Sheriff.

6. I'm thinking that Richard/Chuck stole Billy's truck, because he was mad at Billy for having an affair with his mom. After he runs over the kid with it, he washes the blood off and quickly return it to Billy.  This was the whole story Billy was going to tell Andy before he disappeared.

7. Richard/Chuck tells Audrey that Tina was the last person to see Billy to make her jealous, because he knows she hates Tina.

8. Audrey calls Richard/Chuck "certifiable," and we know he is.

9. Meanwhile, Tina has gotten word about Richard/Chuck running over the kid in Billy's truck, trying to murder Miriam, and/or then killing Billy, which is the news she tells Charlie on the phone, and makes him promise to keep secret.

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Posted : 05/08/2017 2:16 pm Pine Cone, Christen Phillips and Jocelyn Rowe liked
(@silentbobni)
Roadhouse Regular

Let's see what Diane thinks of all the hoo-ha around this scene

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Posted : 05/08/2017 2:19 pm Charlie, cyndeewillow, Jocelyn Rowe and 2 people liked
(@matthew_gladney)
Roadhouse Regular

This scene is certainly difficult to put one's finger on, but I'm hoping it's a Sylvia & Johnny Horne scenario.

When we first got a glimpse of Sylvia and Johnny this season, he was running around the house and Sylvia was calling after him, then he hits the wall and drops. Boom, that's it. The scene comes out of nowhere and, at the time, we're left thinking "WTF?!"

Of course it wasn't until the next episode that we realize that scene was a necessary re-introduction for those characters, given what was to come with them regarding Richard's home invasion.

I'm hoping this first scene with Audrey & Charlie is going to play out like that. We're all thinking "WTF?!" after this episode, but (hopefully) after episode 13 we'll be like, "Aaaaahhhh, ok. I get it now."

Hopefully.

 

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Posted : 05/08/2017 2:43 pm Jocelyn Rowe liked
(@ranmacmh)
Roadhouse Regular
Posted by: bswise

I agree with everyone above that this scene is dissociative- from reality, identity, and the present day.  The room could be in the 1930's.  Charlie and Audrey stay rooted to the exact same spots throughout the conversation (an argument about getting up and going somewhere), and we don't see either of their legs (except maybe a glimpse of one of Charlie's under the desk). However, that's the town and show of Twin Peaks for you. 

Taken at face value, I think the scene makes perfect narrative sense, if "Chuck" and Richard Horne are actually one in the same.  Here's my theory:

1. As discussed, Audrey is Richard's mother, and "Mr. C" is the biological father.

2. Possibly, Ben arranged this marriage for poor Audrey so that she and her unexpected children (Richard and Linda?) would be taken care of.

3. Audrey and Charlie named him Richard "Charles" Horne, after his new step-dad, but part of the contract Charlie mentions is that she and the kids kept the prestigious Horne name. But, they called Richard "Chuck," or "Little Chuckie," a name he likely grew up hating along with his entire family. 

4. Ben says Richard "Never Had a Father," because Charlie was, well, Charlie, and always behind his desk pushing papers, so he never took any interest in little "Chuck."

5. As a result, Richard/Chuck was an ever increasingly angry pain in the ass for everyone, leading to worse and worse encounters with the Sheriff.

6. I'm thinking that Richard/Chuck stole Billy's truck, because he was mad at Billy for having an affair with his mom. After he runs over the kid with it, he washes the blood off and quickly return it to Billy.  This was the whole story Billy was going to tell Andy before he disappeared.

7. Richard/Chuck tells Audrey that Tina was the last person to see Billy to make her jealous, because he knows she hates Tina.

8. Audrey calls Richard/Chuck "certifiable," and we know he is.

9. Meanwhile, Tina has gotten word about Richard/Chuck running over the kid in Billy's truck, trying to murder Miriam, and/or then killing Billy, which is the news she tells Charlie on the phone, and makes him promise to keep secret.

This is how I'm going to read this scene until we know more.  Great interpretation!  And I love the ominous open door leading us here.  Any idea why Tina might not be at liberty to talk if her husband was around?

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Posted : 06/08/2017 3:05 am
(@johan_pitz_petersson)
Dweller

Have you guys Heard the Eddie Vedder song for TwinPeaks ? 

Place those lyrics into this... golden stuff....

Guess that song will soon make its entrence in the show.

Hourglass,, i knew it would arrive in the end.. been waiting for one all the season..

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Posted : 06/08/2017 3:35 am cyndeewillow liked
(@elad-repooc)
Roadhouse Regular

I watched a YouTube video where they suggested that Tina is Charlie's mistress and that Billy is the long haired guy who owns the truck that Richard ran over the little boy with. The reason Charlie can't tell Audrey what Tina said is because Tina told Charlie something that would be far too awful for Audrey to hear. And that is: Audrey's son Richard borrowed Audrey's lover Billy's truck and ran over a little boy, then killed Billy because he saw him talking to the police. So Audrey's son is a killer and her lover is dead. It's totally understandable that Charlie would refuse to tell Audrey that shockingly awful information.

As for why Audrey and Charlie are married, I'm really not sure. Maybe Charlie has connections in the business world that help Audrey, and maybe he is Canadian so their marriage is a way for him to live that side of the border.

I like the idea that Audrey now runs One Eyed Jacks. Maybe Charlie supplies Audrey with pretty young women to work there. One Eyed Jacks is in Canada, so maybe Charlie's Canadian connections help with that. 

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Posted : 06/08/2017 6:22 am
(@aetherealrumour)
Lodger

I feel like it was very intentional. It may be meant to show the unreal nature of their marriage, which is rather just a CONTRACT.  Charlie is like an archetypal accountant, or maybe the auditors in Pratchett-land. The opposite of who we would expect her to be with.

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Posted : 01/09/2017 2:00 pm
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