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Audrey's and Cooper's first scenes.

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(@groofay)
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First things first, no, this isn't a "ship" thing. I never cared for the idea of romantic involvement between them...it just seems gross and saccharine, even by Twin Peaks' lowest standards.

But as for each of their first two scenes, I felt like there were a lot of similarities/parallels between these two.

  • Audrey and Cooper standing/sitting across from other person
  • A giant in one scene, a dwarf in the other
  • Names dropped that have no immediate significance
  • Audrey and Cooper know what the audience don't, and there is much that is deliberately unsaid/obfuscated by the other person
  • Other person fiddles with pretty darn antiquated technology (gramophone and rotary phone...who the hell uses a rotary phone?!)
  • They're both trapped in this room, want to leave but can't/have to wait
  • The shots are almost always of either one person or the other, not both

And yes, I know a lot of this is probably just coincidental and/or Lynch messing with me. I'm just having some fun drawing parallels.

Perhaps Audrey is having a similar experience to Cooper, just in a different literal context.

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 1:44 pm
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Fantastic observations!

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 3:22 pm
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The form of the two scenes(Cooper's first and Audrey's first) is definitely similar, with the difference being the dwarf/giant.   Giant represents something like law/normality/regularity, while dwarf is exceptional desire/enjoyment that transcends the normal way of relating to people.   And this was the case with the original agent cooper, who was mostly all about duty and the law, and generally weary about exceptions to it(including sexual ones) because of what happened with Caroline,  but he did have a special place for Audrey, even though he did not 'go all the way', since she was too  young.  So we can think of the Cooper figure as something like a model for law normality: Mr. C as mafia/breaking bad, mafia/criminals control the law, kill everyone and drain the society of money/enjoyment, ruin lives, etc.; and Dougie as the model citizen who is docile and doesn't think or question anything, thinks it is 'reality'/just the way it is and goes along, is getting drained, losing all his money, controlled by mafia, etc., but he dreams that he is 'in on it', sort of like a lumpen who enjoys it, a rabble who is in with the criminality of the rulers who destroy them, 'carnival' ties them together: dougie(without cooper) tries to play the game(gambling, insurance fraud, prostitutes) because he thinks its 'cool', even though the whole thing makes him end up in rancho rosa, lumpen enjoys it because they get to play 'breaking bad', get to play act in carnival like they are some kind of fake mafia... Both these sides work together and reinforce one another.....

Now in this episode(which in the rancho rosa screen had red as the background with white and black in the middle), we get something like the form/prototype of the exceptional/special desire(Audrey was this to agent cooper, 'my special agent', etc.), what is 'manufactured' by the 'lodges'/ruling ideas for people to follow etc., what should be the desire, and types of people they desire, etc.   Notice how Audrey's conversation here is basically a prototype for the one that follows in the bar:  Audrey has gone mad while Billy, who is she is desperately chasing, is with Tina whom she hates; in the bar: the woman the two girls are talking about is on the verge of going mad because the man she is desperately chasing has been seen with Mary and is 'spreading it around'.  Then there is the husband/Charlie the dwarf(seems like a psychologist/analyst of some sort) who Audrey is trying to force into all kinds of dangers and completely disrespects, cheats on openly, threatens that her boyfriends(Paul) are going to harm; then we have Trick who had to break house arrest, nearly get killed by a maniac on the road, etc., just to get to that bar and the two girls respond like Audrey would about Paul, well 'whoopee' hes here, big deal, etc...; also there is Chuck in the Audrey scene who is something like Richard, stealing the truck, etc., then in the bar scene there is a guy driving like a maniac, like Richard who hits the kid, who runs him off the road.   Richard/Chuck/crazed driver is sort of like someone completely over the edge by the entire situation, cant be placed in the mafia mentality(Red humiliates Richard) or in the sleazy cheap desire of the people at the bar and Audrey/Cole(was tied up like Johnny by Sylvia, his lady friend Mary Anne was with Red, etc.), Richard is completely out of the entire corrupted frame/law imposed by Cooper/Audrey, but just goes to destruction instead of solving the problem in reality. Dont think Billy is actually the farmer who Richard took the truck from, just showing how this form of how desire/exception to the law/rule is given to all  different people, the wild behavior is sort of the 'law of desire'....what is this law/form...?

I think the 'selling blood' part was a clue that unlocks a lot of the episode, showing how this form of Cooper/Audrey(law/exception) plays out in reality.  'Selling your blood' meaning something like dont ruin yourself for something that is not worth it, exchange your 'unpaid work'(what you lack) for something worthwhile.  Carl is sort of a 'godfather' without power, who identifies problems as they develop, stops them from spinning off into destructive excess, and redirects the excess to solving the problem the right way, etc., he is a conduit for electricity, a 'lightning rod' that changes over the excessive fire/electricity, the becoming based on the problem.  Remember the two women at that bar talking about the dating and how it was about to drive their friend insane, Audrey was over the edge, and the guy who broke his house arrest, was nearly killed, then wanted to kill the other driver?  They are 'selling their blood' for something not worth it, putting in 'unpaid work'(ex. Audrey had no father for her kid, now looking for revenge, etc.), then going mad or seeking to make up for their 'lost blood' by doing more reckless stuff or seeking revenge(Diane here, who is also  bent on revenge about Cooper, probably one of the reasons she is in contact with him).

Also, this connects with the insurance/gambling of the last episode: twin peaks has no insurance, they have to sell their blood and their work is unpaid, Carl sees the problem here. Miriam, the one who loves pies like old twin peaks, has no insurance, is going to die unless a rich benefactor decides they will pay it.   Gambling is the only way they seek for insurance, like the guy breaking house arrest and almost getting killed, or Audrey going off into affairs or dangerous situations to make up that her husband ran off on her, that no one 'paid her for her work'....no Carl here, no insurance, it has been done away with...gambling with desire/red now, by directly desiring enjoyment(gold) in everything: everything is the exception always, breaking bad/carnival, mafia controlling the state/government is always outside of the law and scares the population with violence, then uses their 'protector' status to drain and enslave the vast majority of the population, then put them in rancho rosa to fight each other over who is more 'breaking bad', like their beloved leaders).  This is 'gambling as insurance'(cannot be sad, culture of happiness, etc.), leads to disaster, no rational governance in twin peaks, aside from(Carl), so need to see genuine tragedy(Miriams situation, Richard, way people are acting, Sarah palmer, etc.) like sad song at the end, cant just skip by it, that work is going to remain unpaid and people suffering and dying....then, like the Laura Palmer tragedy, have to take it for the tragedy it is, cannot make up for it like they are doing, by hiding from the pain by 'selling their blood' to have fun, need to face up to it and try to do something....

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 3:46 pm
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Posted by: Murat Erol Özkan

The form of the two scenes(Cooper's first and Audrey's first) is definitely similar, with the difference being the dwarf/giant.   Giant represents something like law/normality/regularity, while dwarf is exceptional desire/enjoyment that transcends the normal way of relating to people.   And this was the case with the original agent cooper, who was mostly all about duty and the law, and generally weary about exceptions to it(including sexual ones) because of what happened with Caroline,  but he did have a special place for Audrey, even though he did not 'go all the way', since she was too  young.  So we can think of the Cooper figure as something like a model for law normality: Mr. C as mafia/breaking bad, mafia/criminals control the law, kill everyone and drain the society of money/enjoyment, ruin lives, etc.; and Dougie as the model citizen who is docile and doesn't think or question anything, thinks it is 'reality'/just the way it is and goes along, is getting drained, losing all his money, controlled by mafia, etc., but he dreams that he is 'in on it', sort of like a lumpen who enjoys it, a rabble who is in with the criminality of the rulers who destroy them, 'carnival' ties them together: dougie(without cooper) tries to play the game(gambling, insurance fraud, prostitutes) because he thinks its 'cool', even though the whole thing makes him end up in rancho rosa, lumpen enjoys it because they get to play 'breaking bad', get to play act in carnival like they are some kind of fake mafia... Both these sides work together and reinforce one another.....

Now in this episode(which in the rancho rosa screen had red as the background with white and black in the middle), we get something like the form/prototype of the exceptional/special desire(Audrey was this to agent cooper, 'my special agent', etc.), what is 'manufactured' by the 'lodges'/ruling ideas for people to follow etc., what should be the desire, and types of people they desire, etc.   Notice how Audrey's conversation here is basically a prototype for the one that follows in the bar:  Audrey has gone mad while Billy, who is she is desperately chasing, is with Tina whom she hates; in the bar: the woman the two girls are talking about is on the verge of going mad because the man she is desperately chasing has been seen with Mary and is 'spreading it around'.  Then there is the husband/Charlie the dwarf(seems like a psychologist/analyst of some sort) who Audrey is trying to force into all kinds of dangers and completely disrespects, cheats on openly, threatens that her boyfriends(Paul) are going to harm; then we have Trick who had to break house arrest, nearly get killed by a maniac on the road, etc., just to get to that bar and the two girls respond like Audrey would about Paul, well 'whoopee' hes here, big deal, etc...; also there is Chuck in the Audrey scene who is something like Richard, stealing the truck, etc., then in the bar scene there is a guy driving like a maniac, like Richard who hits the kid, who runs him off the road.   Richard/Chuck/crazed driver is sort of like someone completely over the edge by the entire situation, cant be placed in the mafia mentality(Red humiliates Richard) or in the sleazy cheap desire of the people at the bar and Audrey/Cole(was tied up like Johnny by Sylvia, his lady friend Mary Anne was with Red, etc.), Richard is completely out of the entire corrupted frame/law imposed by Cooper/Audrey, but just goes to destruction instead of solving the problem in reality. Dont think Billy is actually the farmer who Richard took the truck from, just showing how this form of how desire/exception to the law/rule is given to all  different people, the wild behavior is sort of the 'law of desire'....what is this law/form...?

I think the 'selling blood' part was a clue that unlocks a lot of the episode, showing how this form of Cooper/Audrey(law/exception) plays out in reality.  'Selling your blood' meaning something like dont ruin yourself for something that is not worth it, exchange your 'unpaid work'(what you lack) for something worthwhile.  Carl is sort of a 'godfather' without power, who identifies problems as they develop, stops them from spinning off into destructive excess, and redirects the excess to solving the problem the right way, etc., he is a conduit for electricity, a 'lightning rod' that changes over the excessive fire/electricity, the becoming based on the problem.  Remember the two women at that bar talking about the dating and how it was about to drive their friend insane, Audrey was over the edge, and the guy who broke his house arrest, was nearly killed, then wanted to kill the other driver?  They are 'selling their blood' for something not worth it, putting in 'unpaid work'(ex. Audrey had no father for her kid, now looking for revenge, etc.), then going mad or seeking to make up for their 'lost blood' by doing more reckless stuff or seeking revenge(Diane here, who is also  bent on revenge about Cooper, probably one of the reasons she is in contact with him).

Also, this connects with the insurance/gambling of the last episode: twin peaks has no insurance, they have to sell their blood and their work is unpaid, Carl sees the problem here. Miriam, the one who loves pies like old twin peaks, has no insurance, is going to die unless a rich benefactor decides they will pay it.   Gambling is the only way they seek for insurance, like the guy breaking house arrest and almost getting killed, or Audrey going off into affairs or dangerous situations to make up that her husband ran off on her, that no one 'paid her for her work'....no Carl here, no insurance, it has been done away with...gambling with desire/red now, by directly desiring enjoyment(gold) in everything: everything is the exception always, breaking bad/carnival, mafia controlling the state/government is always outside of the law and scares the population with violence, then uses their 'protector' status to drain and enslave the vast majority of the population, then put them in rancho rosa to fight each other over who is more 'breaking bad', like their beloved leaders).  This is 'gambling as insurance'(cannot be sad, culture of happiness, etc.), leads to disaster, no rational governance in twin peaks, aside from(Carl), so need to see genuine tragedy(Miriams situation, Richard, way people are acting, Sarah palmer, etc.) like sad song at the end, cant just skip by it, that work is going to remain unpaid and people suffering and dying....then, like the Laura Palmer tragedy, have to take it for the tragedy it is, cannot make up for it like they are doing, by hiding from the pain by 'selling their blood' to have fun, need to face up to it and try to do something....

Wow 

 
Posted : 31/07/2017 7:37 pm
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