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During the end of Audrey's attack against Charlie she was demanding that Charlie take her to the roadhouse, when Charlie responded by saying 'there is thousands of square miles of dark woods out there.....', or something close to this. This must mean that the facility/house Charlie and Audrey were in was buried deep within thousands of square miles of woods? What kind of institution is deep in the woods like that, maybe for isolation of patients?
Also this could be a metaphor for being lost in one's own mind/madness, immersed in 'the woods', unable to gain distance from a destructive psychic pattern; as in, Audrey is lost 'deep in the woods', these problems are not going to be solved, 'find Billy, the answer' by rushing off the roadhouse wearing a 'little red riding hood' coat, just going to compound the problem, go deeper in the woods, get eaten by a big bad wolf, repeat problem and anger all over again, more unpaid work, still Billy who should be there but never will be?
We also had Diane emerging from behind the red curtain right before she committed herself to joining the blue rose force in order to 'figure out' Cooper, with the 'Let's Rock', she is now 'rocking' towards finding out what exactly happened with the man who changed/harmed her 'in one night' and made her know that there is 'no cure for that'; rather than going blindly into drinking and promiscuity in a failed attempt to block out the aftermath of that night, Diane is now emerging from 'behind the curtain' and 'rocking' to solve the core mystery/problem behind the man/Cooper she follows and who changed her life, she looks determined. Immediately following this we saw Jerry Horne emerging from the woods where he was lost for sometime, nearly going mad until he declared 'I've been here before, you cant fool me' right after the Janey E/Cooper sex scene, Dougie being something like a male equivalent of what happened to Diane/Audrey, 'his arms bend back'. Audrey is still 'deep in the woods' and wanting to go to the roadhouse, still chasing/following Billy(who is 'spreading it around with Tina) and 'selling her blood' to get paid for 'unpaid work', lost in the woods of drinking and promiscuity that drives her mad, just like the woman about to go mad because of Clark; just as Diane does with Mr. C, at least before the 'lets rock', she maybe is now emerging from 'behind the red curtain' and beginning to do some proper work on 'what happened that night', maybe take revenge on Mr. C.
To be fair, an area just 50 miles by 50 miles could net you 'thousands of miles of woods'. And it could be at least sparsely populated.
I think there's definitely some symbolic stuff at work in that scene, but I also take it at face value as Audrey in a lousy marriage and life somewhere remote and forlorn.
Yeah but there are some strange hints here: it seems really weird that Audrey would be married to that guy first of all, second why would that guy remain married to her after all that she was doing and why does he seem like he does not care at all but is just trying to prompt certain things out of her(like with his silence he is trying to get her to talk about what she imagines the phone conversation was about), and if they are buried deep in the woods, why would that guy have all that paperwork there on his desk, to transport out of the woods to some office? Seems like that room could easily be a psychologist's office in an institution with multiple patients where the papers are primarily stored?
Also, why does Audrey seem so reliant on Charlie to leave that place, if she wants to go to the roadhouse, why doesnt she just go? If Audrey was really involved on all those illicit affairs against her husband, she could easily just go herself and not worry about Charlie, right? It seems like she is acting out some revenge scenario against a non-existent 'husband', some man who wronged her and set off her madness(Wheeler or Mr. C)......
No, I don't believe that comment necessarily means they are speaking at a location deep in the woods. I believe the point was that there are thousands of square miles of forest in the Twin Peaks area that someone could be lost, so it makes little sense to go looking at night.
No, I don't believe that comment necessarily means they are speaking at a location deep in the woods. I believe the point was that there are thousands of square miles of forest in the Twin Peaks area that someone could be lost, so it makes little sense to go looking at night.
Yes, now that you say that, this seems to make more sense than them being 'factually' deep in the woods.....although 'Billy' being lost deep in the woods means something lost in Audrey as well, driving her mad
Also, not sure if anyone mentioned this: there was some speculation that Billy is linked to the farmer whose truck Richard was using when he hit the boy, also that episode seemed to imply that he never made the meet with Andy and something happened to him. Then at the end of episode 12 Trick says he was run off the road and nearly hit a tree, then a farmer had to pull him out, not sure if this farmer is the same farmer who owned that truck which Richard was using, towed the guy out with his truck..., I think at the least there is a symbolic connection between Trick and the farmer with the truck? A lot of stuff here...but the scared farmer in a lot of trouble(Richard, police, etc. after him to give up information or to silence him), seems close to Trick who is also in a lot of trouble, breaking house arrest, being run off the road, being made light of with that 'whoopee' comment.....
Also, the 'wheres billy' that the crazy guy shouted out at the double R diner now seems cruel if that statement were directed at Audrey, also a tool for manipulation via shock/terror tactics, remember that guy walked out at the end with a girl, after the mixing up of the scene and causing chaos.
Something like 'wheres Billy, well Im billy, bing is the billy here', and then capitalizes on Audrey's search at the roadhouse; thus the mix between subtitles and what was said, the meaning and reality was changing thanks to his shocking intervention.....
In SHOTP, the facility that Briggs worked in to monitor signals was located deep in the woods I believe. Related?
In SHOTP, the facility that Briggs worked in to monitor signals was located deep in the woods I believe. Related?
yes, via the 'evil deep in those woods' that Briggs was investigating and the bookhouse boys were trying to defend against, looks like it has taken hold of Audrey(and the 'daters' at the roadhouse) in the last 25 years, who is wearing the 'little red riding hood' coat, but acting more like a big bad wolf(black within).....
It's on the summit of White Tail Moutain, I think.
I'm really liking that Little Red Riding Hood interpretation of Audrey there. I was also wondering why she was so insistent that she needed Charlie to help her find Billy when she also spent so much time telling him how useless he was. She is in a bad place literally and figuratively. I need to rewatch the scene though. I was so busy trying to figure out if I knew any of those people they were referencing that I missed a lot of dialogue. Not to mention that scene went FOREVER.
Maybe she's really trying to find Billy Zane. XD
Maybe she's really trying to find Billy Zane. XD
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Maybe she's really trying to find Billy Zane. XD
This would actually make sense, she is waiting for Wheeler to return from Brazil, but he never returned because he cares for his wealth accumulation/work much more(thus she says, why would you be caught up doing work while someone is lost in the woods(meaning herself hurting, going crazy that he didnt come back)? what kind of man are you?); so that now she went out for mad revenge(going to bars, also basically disowning and ignoring and/or abusing her kid Richard, a product of the tainted affair that destroyed her, etc.); and she is now caught in a loop repeating the same problem, trying to get back at Wheeler(or Mr. C) with Billy, but never finding a 'Billy' that eliminates the problem, the loss is still there, etc, repeat over and over and get worse, etc.....this guy Charlie is trying to prompt her to deal with those problems......
Maybe she's really trying to find Billy Zane. XD
This would actually make sense, she is waiting for Wheeler to return from Brazil, but he never returned because he cares for his wealth accumulation/work much more(thus she says, why would you be caught up doing work while someone is lost in the woods(meaning herself hurting, going crazy that he didnt come back)? what kind of man are you?); so that now she went out for mad revenge(going to bars, also basically disowning and ignoring and/or abusing her kid Richard, a product of the tainted affair that destroyed her, etc.); and she is now caught in a loop repeating the same problem, trying to get back at Wheeler(or Mr. C) with Billy, but never finding a 'Billy' that eliminates the problem, the loss is still there, etc, repeat over and over and get worse, etc.....this guy Charlie is trying to prompt her to deal with those problems......
Billy being Billy Zane would also be yet another flirtation with the fourth wall.
I rewatched this last night. Has anyone picked up on the immediately preceding dialogue being Jacoby saying, "I hope they rot in the ninth circle of hell" (something like that) and then we cut very sharply to Audrey. Deliberate?
Billy being Billy Zane would also be yet another flirtation with the fourth wall.
What do you mean by 'fourth wall'?
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