I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
Damn right! I'd be happy to tag along for comedy value. You ain't lived until you try Guinness and Advocaat boilermakers.
We can alternate that with pints of Green Monster - Advocaat, Blue Curaçao, cointreau, vodka and errrr... some other stuff. Good for re-enacting the zombie girl in the car scene! 😉
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
Not so simple. People - often women - in abusive relationships will often end up in another abusive relationship. It's not always as simple as learning.
In any case, there's nothing to show she knows what a complete asshole her guy is.
Definitely what Deputy Sam said. I mentioned in a different thread how Red is a fusion of Leo and young Bobby and where that should appall her, it seems to excite her and bring her back to her younger years as we see in her behavior change when Red shows up during a family crisis meeting. Things are still good and exciting even though its all a repeat of what she's done before.
It's hard to break life patterns.
It's also not a surprise that Becky ended up with the prince charming she married....
Sounds good to me!
The "Errr... some other stuff" wouldn't happen to be Absinthe, would it? Had the worst ever hangover with Absinthe; unlike others, where you think you're going to die, with that one, I wanted to die.
I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
Damn right! I'd be happy to tag along for comedy value. You ain't lived until you try Guinness and Advocaat boilermakers.
Can I go, can I go, can I go pretty pretty please! I know all the pubs in "Twin Peaks!"
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
Not so simple. People - often women - in abusive relationships will often end up in another abusive relationship. It's not always as simple as learning.
In any case, there's nothing to show she knows what a complete asshole her guy is.
Definitely what Deputy Sam said. I mentioned in a different thread how Red is a fusion of Leo and young Bobby and where that should appall her, it seems to excite her and bring her back to her younger years as we see in her behavior change when Red shows up during a family crisis meeting. Things are still good and exciting even though its all a repeat of what she's done before.
It's hard to break life patterns.
It's also not a surprise that Becky ended up with the prince charming she married....
I don't know if it's social conditioning or what, but there are a lot of women who accept that's the way it is. Even women who are intelligent and to all purposes independent will put up with no end of bullshit for no good reason.
I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
Damn right! I'd be happy to tag along for comedy value. You ain't lived until you try Guinness and Advocaat boilermakers.
Can I go, can I go, can I go pretty pretty please! I know all the pubs in "Twin Peaks!"
Why not? Have a Twin Peaks pub crawl.
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
Not so simple. People - often women - in abusive relationships will often end up in another abusive relationship. It's not always as simple as learning.
In any case, there's nothing to show she knows what a complete asshole her guy is.
Perhaps "learned" was a poor choice of words but I didn't think it was necessary to describe the psychological nuances of abused women when this is one of the things Lynch makes painfully obvious. It seems clear that she hasn't changed her dating habits and is not going to. Bobby, on the other hand, has continued to grow and change over the last 25 years while Shelly is engaging in the same behaviors she did as a teenager. I don't think there's a lot of coded subtext in this couple; they are who we see.
I don't know if it's social conditioning or what, but there are a lot of women who accept that's the way it is. Even women who are intelligent and to all purposes independent will put up with no end of bullshit for no good reason.
Truth!
I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
Damn right! I'd be happy to tag along for comedy value. You ain't lived until you try Guinness and Advocaat boilermakers.
Can I go, can I go, can I go pretty pretty please! I know all the pubs in "Twin Peaks!"
Why not? Have a Twin Peaks pub crawl.
YAS!
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
Not so simple. People - often women - in abusive relationships will often end up in another abusive relationship. It's not always as simple as learning.
In any case, there's nothing to show she knows what a complete asshole her guy is.
Perhaps "learned" was a poor choice of words but I didn't think it was necessary to describe the psychological nuances of abused women when this is one of the things Lynch makes painfully obvious. It seems clear that she hasn't changed her dating habits and is not going to. Bobby, on the other hand, has continued to grow and change over the last 25 years while Shelly is engaging in the same behaviors she did as a teenager. I don't think there's a lot of coded subtext in this couple; they are who we see.
Indeed; it's not a deep subtext but it's there. But, as with a lot of Lynch's stuff, he presents the facts in order to get the viewer to ask "Why?" It's not just a simple acceptance of the status quo; Lynch always has an agenda. I mean, the guy knows what and why, how and where, he sees the same things as we do but shoves them back in our faces. To present a simple "It is what it is" in the middle of a show like Twin Peaks is a challenge to look deeper.
Otherwise, you accept that he believes men are the movers and shakers, and women are no better than they deserve to be.
IMO, of course.
I have to agree with SamX. There's nothing to say that Shelly has any idea that Red is who he is. He could have her completely snowed. He seems completely personable outside of that completely terrifying warehouse scene! Brrrrr!!!!
I really like Bobby this season, and i felt so bad for him when Shelly was so happy seeing Red and then kissing him, like Bobby didnt even matter for her at all... i hope in the end Bobby will find Red is criminal and he can win back Shelly!
She ran out on her daughter like it didn't matter, her reaction to seeing Red is like a young teen.
I've had the experience of being involved with two very damaged women in the past and, in both cases, they threw caution to the wind when they found someone prepared to treat then like decent human beings. Neither of them had children of any age and maybe they'd have been more circumspect if they had, but I'm not so sure.
Shelley may not know - or want to know - what Red is up to, particularly if he is treating her well. Things could take a wrong turn later, if his true nature comes out, perhaps if Shelley appears to be too needy or insecure, or begins to question him too closely.
One of my relationships ended because the need and insecurity turned into mind games, jealousy and accusations. T'other one because she realized she was getting in too deep, too soon. Hand on heart, I did nowt wrong; you'll have to trust me on that one. But... had I been someone like Red, I could have exploited either situation for gain.
I'm sure it happens to men, too, but you don't tend to hear about it. I do know, from my first marriage that sometimes it's easier than you'd think to stay in a toxic relationship than end it. For the record on that one, we were both to blame; it usually takes two to fuck up a marriage, and although I was never a philanderer, gambler, drunk, or violent, I am bloody hard to put up with.
Fire walk with