who else thinks that Bobby should win the "I got my shit together in Twin Peaks" award....
he comes across as so grown up now
Nearly, but this episode shows that he is still having problems, still signs of his old 'law-breaking' ways coming back.....
First sign of trouble was the scene when Bobby, Truman, and Hawk enter the conference room to find Chad stinking up the place with his 'lunch'. Bobby could barely control himself when he saw Chad complaining, huffing, etc. while annoyingly removing his food. Bobby was looking at Chad, sizing him up with anger, the was trying to hide his left hand under his jacket(controlling a violent excess about to break out, much like Dougie did when staring at the statue, hiding the Mr. C that comes from his desire to be a 'lawman'). Now in this episode it is clear that he violates his ethical duty as policeman, allowing arbitrariness and feeling to enter into the enforcement and exceptions to the law. While his protective approach to Becky and aggression towards Steven is perfectly understandable and even commendable to some degree in his role as father, this belongs nowhere near the authority of the law, much like the corrupted Fuscoes were overwhelmed by arbitrary enjoyment and easily take bribes from Mr. C's men to help in insurance fraud and other cover ups. Bobby violates his ethical duty in his approach to the Becky/Steven situation, he lets enforcement of the law depend on his private family situation and personal feelings, whereas justice must be blind, enforced regardless of who is breaking it etc. Becky is not in jail although she is just as guilty, if not more, than Steven(she also cheats and engages in gun violence, just as Steven nearly hit her and cheats); while now Bobby is going to crack down excessively on Steven because of his personal feelings. Not saying that Steven and/or Becky should definitely be locked up, but the situation has to definitely be dealt with more professionally and fairly than Bobby is handling it, think about this, Becky could have easily killed someone and she gets to go home with good feelings and her mother, while if Steven had done the same he would probably be rotting for life in prison....
Bobby's problem is also not dealing with Red and being too forgiving on Becky and Shelly, the guy was made a cuckold in front of his daughter who then looked at him with disgust, some nasty stuff brewing. Red is the worst guy in town, supplying the drugs, most powerful mafia, etc. and he just slips buy as the neighborhood hero because of money/drugs/influence/charm. Bobby did not like this one bit and needs to confront the situation with appropriate confrontation with the core of the problem, which will definately upset some things in his relations with Shelly/Becky, but its better than letting it bubble under and will also save him some dignity, Bobby cannot pretend its all right, it is clearly not alright for him. Also, disturbing here that Becky seemed to look at Bobby in contempt when he was clearly angry with what Shelly was doing, as if she was thinking after that session of female bonding, 'another Steven trying to harm Shelly, etc., just let her be happy', but that happy is clearly wrong, going to end in disaster for that family. Bobby has the best chance of fixing the situation but is looked at with contempt, since it would stop the illicit 'flow of spice', or how people enjoy in the corrupted situation that now exists and pretend its alright. Funny that Bobby's excessive feelings for Shelly and Becky are understandable, but make him both violate his ethical duty regarding his role as officer of the law, then blind him to confronting the problems with Red/Shelly/Becky making him look embarrassing......
Wow...we definitely have a different take on things. I think Bobby and Shelly are estranged. I think he's hoping they will reconcile, and has no idea of Red's drug dealing or at least can't prove anything yet. I don't think Bobby would let anyone slide just because his old lady is "jump startin'" this guy's engines. I also don't think Bobby was edging to slug Chad in the scene you depicted earlier. I think they're all super-irritated by Chad, and none of them wanted to help Chad get the door.
Just my two cents.
Shelley is not wearing a ring on the ring finger of her left hand (had a couple of rings on other fingers). I need to go back and check for a wedding ring on Bobby. This is the first episode that I recall the family relationship; did I forget something?
Wow...we definitely have a different take on things. I think Bobby and Shelly are estranged. I think he's hoping they will reconcile, and has no idea of Red's drug dealing or at least can't prove anything yet. I don't think Bobby would let anyone slide just because his old lady is "jump startin'" this guy's engines. I also don't think Bobby was edging to slug Chad in the scene you depicted earlier. I think they're all super-irritated by Chad, and none of them wanted to help Chad get the door.
Just my two cents.
He is letting Becky slide while Steven, who would be in prison for a long time for doing the same thing(not saying Becky should be in prison either), but this is the problem with letting feelings/personal preference, etc. dictate the law, justice must be blind or its no longer justice, just a gang with force............
Also, maybe Bobby was not about to hit Chad, but he was definitely having more problems with his presence than Truman or Hawk who were not pleased but also somewhat indifferent, not letting Chad get under their skin so much. If you watch the scene again, look at Bobby's expressions, how he has to look down, is grasping his left hand and covers it with his sleeve....then when he is told to open the window, he says 'yeah' with excessive relief and annoyance....definitely he was having more problems with Chad than the others.....
Bobby is much like Ben Horne, trying to do the right thing, but being pressed into 'snapping'; although I think Bobby is much more established at this than Ben Horne. Also, I dont think there are hints that things will turn out bad for Bobby, I think this is just presenting his dilemma(with Shelly/Becky, how he treats his ethical duty as a result, etc.), but I think it can still go either way, I would predict that he will resolve the problem and not go over the edge, but its not settled as of now.......big problems just starting up.....wanted to point this out.....
And definitely dont think Bobby would let Red slide as far as busting him for drugs, quite the opposite; I meant letting it slide that Red busted into his intense family moment and had intense kissing with Shelly, he was trying to let it go....but you could see it burning inside of him, he will have to address this and the kind, letting it slide approach to Shelly and Becky is definitely failing horribly, they are looking for 'outside the law' types, he is feeding them the opposite, he has to assert beyond 'outside the law' types, not let it slide, and this is the danger for him(might get ugly), he is no longer the 'bad boy' Shelly wanted, maybe he needs to break it off, but just embarrassing for him as it is
I really like Bobby this season, and i felt so bad for him when Shelly was so happy seeing Red and then kissing him, like Bobby didnt even matter for her at all... i hope in the end Bobby will find Red is criminal and he can win back Shelly!
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
I agree. He deserves better than Shelley.
I felt so bad for Bobby with all of that crap going on with him at the same time. Reminds me a lot of me after I grew up and straightened out. Poor guy.
Also, Shelley wears a ring on her necklace. It might be her wedding ring.
Maybe Red has done some of his magic tricks to Shelly and she is in love with him, or just Shelly is into ''bad boys'' for life and she will never change..
I really enjoy how Dana Ashbrook has been able to effectively evolve the Bobby Briggs character to fit the progression of time while maintaining some of the personality characteristics of the younger Bobby (i.e. the scene at the police station when he sees the picture of Laura Palmer.)
Characters like Andy and Lucy do not seem to have been able to pull this off at all. That could just be due to the nature of the characters but to me they both come across as hammy, in a bad way.
Also, while Richard Beymer has evolved the character of Ben Horne, I feel that the character now lacks the eccentric characteristics that made the Ben character so great. His portrayal is dull and defeated and lacking the energy of Ben Horne.
I guess my point is that it may be difficult for actors to evolve their characters after 25 years but Dana has done a great job.
I agree with everything that you said. Bobby has grown so close to me during the last episodes and now somehow, he kind of reminds me of his own dad, Major Briggs. He only wants the best for his daughter, Becky, but yet still cares about her being happy and that's why she didn't lock up Steven earlier even though he probably could have. He wants her to learn for herself but is right there when she needs help.
It's also nice to see that he kind of values the way his dad was ... I loved the scene when they were trying to open the capsule with the secret message that Major Briggs hid in the chair and Sherriff Truman said: "He really saw all of this, whatever it is" and then Bobby looks so proud of his own dad and goes: "Well, that was my dad"
Bobby seems to understand that his dad only meant to be good to him and he starts to appreciate the way his dad was... I loved the scene when they were trying to open the capsule with the secret message that Major Briggs hid in the chair and Sherriff Truman said: "He really saw all of this, whatever it is" and then Bobby looks so proud of his own dad and goes: "Well, that was my dad".
It's just nice to see because I only remember him getting into fights with his dad, apart from when he told Bobby that he saw a bright future ahead of him. I'm glad Bobby seems to have a big part in this season. And Dana pulls it off really well!
Shelley is not wearing a ring on the ring finger of her left hand (had a couple of rings on other fingers). I need to go back and check for a wedding ring on Bobby. This is the first episode that I recall the family relationship; did I forget something?
Just rewatched, Bobby not wearing a ring.
I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
I'd love to take Bobby & Hawk out for a pint. They're just like 2 islands of sanity & reasonableness in the middle of a Hieronymus Bosh painting!
Damn right! I'd be happy to tag along for comedy value. You ain't lived until you try Guinness and Advocaat boilermakers.
I, for one, have given up hope for Shelly. If she hasn't learned by now, she never will. Bobby, after all the maturing he's done, deserves better.
WAG regarding Red. He's a good guy undercover. Perhaps DEA or something. Once Shelly discovers he's actually decent, she'll dump him.
Not so simple. People - often women - in abusive relationships will often end up in another abusive relationship. It's not always as simple as learning.
In any case, there's nothing to show she knows what a complete asshole her guy is.
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