I think we sometimes find ourselves trusting the knowledge base or honesty of some of the characters that we should in fact question. Let me give you some for instances:
- Chief Deputy Hawk - We assume he and his forefathers had a better understanding of the true nature of the lodges and dimensions than deserved. Do we know if his explanation of doppelgangers or the lodges is correct? No, and we must be careful of taking his information as gospel.
- Mike (One armed man) - He tells us about his relationship with Bob present and past. Does the rest of our evidence over the 3 seasons so far confirm his story? Or does it suggest we were only told what he wanted us to believe?
- Agent David Bowie - Has what he told us in FWWM ever been confirmed by other sources?
- Gordon Cole - 2 or 3 missing agents under his watch in the period of a short couple of years and no one is questioning this? He obviously knows more about what is going on then he has previously revealed. Does this make his even more responsible for not doing more to recover his missing agents?
I guess my point is strip away what you think you know and begin again asking what you know for certain is fact. I think you will find we have lots of pieces of a giant puzzle, but few connected facts. Those facts are tied together with speculation and less than sound sources.
Good questions. Always question intentions. Personally, I think we should be questioning Tammy's knowledge base/honesty as well.
And I find it entertaining that you referred to Phillip Jeffries as Agent David Bowie. This is especially in light of my flippant theory that David Bowie has possessed the body of Chrysta Bell, and now Phillip Jeffries is walking around inside of Tammy. 😀
I would assume Gordon got passed over for promotion by Denise because of his habit of making top agents disappear.
Hawk still hasn't told Truman about the sojurn to Glastonbury Grove he took in Episode 1 (or was it 2)? Does Truman even know about that grove?
It's interesting that in the original series, Cooper interacted with the "Arm" more than "Mike", whereas in this series it seems to be totally reversed. You would assume the evolved arm would show up and give him clues from time to time, but since leaving the lodge it has only seemingly been interested in breaking Ike's wrist. If that was even the arm and not it's doppleganger, and assuming it was giving that direction to DougieCoop (and not Ike).
Brandy,
Good point about Tammy.
I am glad you got a smile out of agent David Bowie, I was trying to be a bit funny with it.
kdawg68,
Your point about Hawk has continued to be on my 'cork board' as an important unknown. I know Lynch has had a habit of altering the linear timeline during his shows which makes it even more difficult to know what is happening past, present, future. I typically hate movies and tv shows that use time travel, but so far this method has not turned me off.
I am taking the Secret History to have value in the writing for this because it was written around the same time as the scripts and by people working on the scripts.
Tammy knows the dossier of Twin Peaks but a lot of the characters she only knew their names. She is now asking about those people in the show and she found the files of agents who worked on Blue Rose Cases deleted. So their is a question of someone compiling a list of FBI agents working on Blue Rose Cases.
I agree with Trust especially of other people than the government.
And trust may alter based on whom the people think they are dealing with.
Gordon is displaying large quantities of knowledge about the subject just by the art on his walls and his choice of words.
Because of the request to end nuclear tests in exchange for technology I trust the "Nordic Types" which are the ??????? and related groups.
I do not trust anything associated with the "grey" which trade technology for genetic material. I see that as the woodsmen/Dugpa, magicians and such asking for hosts. The Secret History suggests the government took that deal.
I do not trust Mike and strongly think that he was the voice that said soon I will be Bob again to Bad Coop I do think Mike is playing Dale to get read of Mr. C just so he can be with Bob again.
I think like all searches for truth you only ever see a sliver of it and each character has a sliver. Outside of trust issues that perspective defines how they interact with what they are seeing.
Good questions. Always question intentions. Personally, I think we should be questioning Tammy's knowledge base/honesty as well.
And I find it entertaining that you referred to Phillip Jeffries as Agent David Bowie. This is especially in light of my flippant theory that David Bowie has possessed the body of Chrysta Bell, and now Phillip Jeffries is walking around inside of Tammy. 😀
Hey now - I advanced that very same theory here weeks ago! 🙂
While I admire your analytical rigor, I'm reluctant to read prognostications about who might be double-crossing whom as anything more than conjecture. This is not an Agatha Christie mystery novel that one might sleuth their way through, IMO. The pleasure-- for me at any rate-- is in first straining to understand (speculating), then coming to understand how inadequate your reasoning intellect was in predicting the course of events... As such, all theories are equally plausible.
Better to throw stones at bottles...
Interesting take Bad Fan, while I would agree my approach is way to analytical to be an effective blue rose special agent, I think a healthy does of questioning everything is a sound place to start any dynamic puzzle. I've always viewed Lynch works to lean toward his views on dualism, but interestingly from a very grey middle area approach (for instance few happy endings or true boy scouts/satanic demons).
I also find it realistic that for Lynch or Frost to give us anything spoon feed as gospel is a bit disappointing. They live in the dynamic complexity of their story. This 'fact' leads me to a conclusion to trust little and question much.
I think we sometimes find ourselves trusting the knowledge base or honesty of some of the characters that we should in fact question. Let me give you some for instances:
- Chief Deputy Hawk - We assume he and his forefathers had a better understanding of the true nature of the lodges and dimensions than deserved. Do we know if his explanation of doppelgangers or the lodges is correct? No, and we must be careful of taking his information as gospel.
- Mike (One armed man) - He tells us about his relationship with Bob present and past. Does the rest of our evidence over the 3 seasons so far confirm his story? Or does it suggest we were only told what he wanted us to believe?
- Agent David Bowie - Has what he told us in FWWM ever been confirmed by other sources?
- Gordon Cole - 2 or 3 missing agents under his watch in the period of a short couple of years and no one is questioning this? He obviously knows more about what is going on then he has previously revealed. Does this make his even more responsible for not doing more to recover his missing agents?
I guess my point is strip away what you think you know and begin again asking what you know for certain is fact. I think you will find we have lots of pieces of a giant puzzle, but few connected facts. Those facts are tied together with speculation and less than sound sources.
You raise some interesting points that have got me thinking. We all seem to be trusting of Hawk. I use We with caution here. On a more philosophical plane, isn't it interesting how we base our judgements? I hadn't for a second wondered if Hawk was an unreliable narrator. He sounds so wise and while I may maintain, I hope skeptical view of some of the legends that surround the Native American Indians, and folklore generally, I do feel there's more to them than I perhaps give credit. I wonder whether perhaps part of it is due to the guilt around what happened to them at the hands of others? Hmm, I guess we're going to find out...
re your point about Gordon losing staff on his watch, I guess he was effectively sidelined so Denise could rise up to the top spot. As an aside I'm still convinced we saw Chet Desmond on the car park monitor in FWWM when Cole and Coop were seeing Jeffries.
In regard to Jeffries - are we to assume the supposed spoiler tweet that got deleted was a ruse for this latest part?
Spoiler tweet? Oh, do tell, do tell!
Was a fake tweet showtime released to catch anyone out who saw ep 11 at comic con to find out who leaked stuff i.e. "What do you mean Jeffries is back, he wasn't in what I saw". Was also one about Lucy beating up Chad
Was a fake tweet showtime released to catch anyone out who saw ep 11 at comic con
Exactly my thoughts.
On a more philosophical plane, isn't it interesting how we base our judgements? I hadn't for a second wondered if Hawk was an unreliable narrator. He sounds so wise and while I may maintain, I hope skeptical view of some of the legends that surround the Native American Indians, and folklore generally, I do feel there's more to them than I perhaps give credit. I wonder whether perhaps part of it is due to the guilt around what happened to them at the hands of others?
Hi Colin,
Nailed it. 😐
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Good questions. Always question intentions. Personally, I think we should be questioning Tammy's knowledge base/honesty as well.
And I find it entertaining that you referred to Phillip Jeffries as Agent David Bowie. This is especially in light of my flippant theory that David Bowie has possessed the body of Chrysta Bell, and now Phillip Jeffries is walking around inside of Tammy. 😀
Hey now - I advanced that very same theory here weeks ago! 🙂
You are right kdawg, you did. My apologies. I just elaborated on it.
So may I call it OUR flippant theory? 🙂
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