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(@pine-cone)
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Now she's enraged enough to grab a gun, boost Shelley's car, and damn near kill her mother? Something seems amiss, particularly during her convo with Bobby and Shelley. Seems her mom never lost her penchant for bad boys, either. The uneasy glances exchanged between Bobby and Becky when gleeful Shelley nearly leapt outside to connect with her man seemed telling. And by the way, who WAS he?

Makes me wonder if Bobby may have raised and supported Becky as his own, but maybe she might not be his biological daughter. Perhaps her father is Leo Johnson?

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 10:57 pm
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That guy was Red, who we've seen in two previous episodes.

He shared a scene with Richard Horne, where he did that weird thing with the coin.

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:16 pm
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So Shelley's man IS Red? SMH! Poor Bobby. Makes Becky's choice of Steven seem inevitable, if not predictable.

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:19 pm
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Something was possessing her ... or at least stoking the chaos in TP.   We saw that after she shot up the apartment door and the camera "floated" down the stairwell in a very ghostly/spirited way 

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:21 pm
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Becky uses drugs. Probably high and not paying attention to what was happening beyond "I want to kill Steven."

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:22 pm
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I feel like Shelley is literally under Red's spell.  I feel like Bobby is going to snap her out of it.

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:35 pm
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She always had a thing for bad boys who sold drugs so maybe it's history repeating 

 
Posted : 23/07/2017 11:37 pm
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Posted by: JaseToTheG

Something was possessing her ... or at least stoking the chaos in TP.   We saw that after she shot up the apartment door and the camera "floated" down the stairwell in a very ghostly/spirited way 

I agree, I think with the stuff with the two kids at the diner that something is off with the town, possibly the black lodge trying to stop the local law enforcement getting to Jack Rabbits Palace by tying them up.

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 12:33 am
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The clue to the entire Norma/Shelly/Becky relations to Hank/Leo-Red/Steven  was provided by the RR scene with Bobby and the two cars full of people outside that Bobby confronts, maybe he will figure out the mystery and be able to fix his bad situation.

Although Bobby abuses his authority as an officer of the law by twisting it according to his personal feelings, he is more than justified as a father to do everything in his power to be partial and protect only Shelly and Becky.  Bobby cares for Shelly and Becky more than anyone there, since it is my contention that Red will only bring them trouble and does not really love Shelly, since he is engaged in a mafia enterprise  as his number one goal of violating the law, being outside of it and commitment to the community(or Shelly), he is bleeding the town dry and leaving ruins in his wake(drug addicts, etc.), he uses charm/magic to 'sell' himself and get what he needs only to be free to take profits and run whenever necessary. 

   So we have this presence of Bobby who establishes himself as the paternal law at the table, after which Becky's look does not change; and then when looking at Shelly she smiles brightly, then to Norma who nods and Becky rightly apologizes to Shelly, and all of the excess and group commitment is caught by this group of Norma/Shelly/Becky, the women who have all been injured by 'men'.  This group commitment takes precedence over Bobby and the paternal law, since for this group 'men' in general are identified with the abusive Hank/Leo/Steven, and only women look out for each other, that sort of thing.  So this group is an exception to the paternal law, a force outside of it that resists it and is also more important than it(which is the source of excessive love for one woman, elevating them above the 'law of the world', just as Bobby does in his role as father in elevating his family, although this should not corrupt the public law, etc.). 

 This group of Norma/Shelly/Becky thus resists Bobby and the paternal law in general, identifying all men and law with the abuse of 'Leo' types(the excessive enforcement of law), no matter what they are trying to do to help, it will harm and turn into abuse, etc., which frustrates the 'fatherly' attempts, which then explodes into a Leo type situation when it feels helpless, both sides reinforce one another, thus Norma/Shelly/Becky always get what they expect.  Right when Big Ed was going to tie down Norma to marriage/law/commitment, she ran away from law/commitment to another person 'outside of the law', the criminal Hank.  Shelly was attracted to people outside of the law, Leo with his flashy car(rich, sells, drugs, etc.) and then broke her commitment with him to go with 'bad boy Bobby', and then later 'buck' his law in order to find herself in the arms of someone else outside the law 'Red'.  Becky is now learning from that diner experience how this works, she goes from possibly defending Steven and listening to Bobby to reinforcing her identity as the woman who breaks the 'abusive male law'.  Thus Norma/Shelly/Becky violate the 'male law' and go with men outside of the 'male law' because this is what they are attracted to secretly, violating the male law; and then of course these wild criminals do not show them any law/commitment, end up hurting them badly, for which they blame the evil 'male law', never learning the lesson, there are 'no stars' outside of the law, chaos/destruction/pain etc is waiting there.  To exceed the law as Bobby was wrongly trying to do in this case(violates police duty, uses authority of law for corruption of the law), is rightly done to establish something exceptional, like a community of mutual commitment(ex. a family) to a certain law which maintains the family through tough times, even when it doesn't 'feel good', etc., which is why Bobby violates his ethical duty to the law of the town here.  So Bobby's attempted approach was the right way out of the developing problem, if he did not take it to corruption of the law, but this entire approach is written off and Becky looks contemptuously as Bobby at the end almost as if she suspects that he is trying or planning to 'hurt' Shelly or ruin her fun, etc.

So we have the table scene where Bobby attempts to establish some kind of paternal law, followed by the female bonding, then Red enters, who also gave the gun sign at Shelly in episode 2.  After Bobby is turned into a cuckold and looked at scornfully by Becky, his attempt to establish paternal law has failed, women are ruling the situation and excluding him.  This is why the bullet enters at this moment and we are introduced to two excesses of 'sick/dead/ life, the black fire burning dead corn, etc.', the undead/zombies/monsters....Why now, Bobby's got some fire where he is going, he was just made into a cuckold and is excluded from those women as a proper father, even before this he was violating his ethical duty as officer to help Becky.  When Bobby goes to check where the gun shot came from, he finds the hunter and son who look as if they have 'faces of stone', like Mr. C, Leo, and is spooked by the child looking at him like this, while the wife is complaining violently about the situation, and that she just kicked the gun back to the kid, didnt know about the danger of what she was doing etc.(almost like Shelly/Norma/Becky seem obliviously to where their interventions keep leading them).  Hunter and son with the stone faces are this sort of male 'undead' life outside of law, excessive with violence, leave the gun around, fire it in public, etc., while the wifes' abusive attacks 'kicks this gun around to the kid', much like Bobby being excluded may end up making him 'snap'.  In the next car is a feminine group of mother and daughter, the mother is violating the law, honking and refusing to wait etc. in a violent way, almost like the mother from the hunters' car, and insisting that the daughter is sick and needs to get home....they are taking exception to the law and this gives life to the 'undead' daughter who becomes 'zombifed', and the insisting that the daughter is sick is just like Norma and Shelly insisting that everything is Steven's fault(not saying he is not guilty), thus giving Becky free reign to do anything outside of constraint of commitment to Steven, thus feeding Steven to become more like the 'hunters' from the first car.  Finally, the Deputy Holcomb who comes over is like a figure similar to Bobby, wants to be in with the 'tru-men' group and runs into the same dilemma as Bobby with the law......

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 1:09 am
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Mother and zombie girl = secret obscene version of Shelly/Becky, remember Shelly saying, you coming home with me tonight, and this mother really wanted to get her sick daughter home.....

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 1:41 am
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As soon as I saw Becky shoot holes in that closed door, I thought she crossed way over the line, even if her husband is a piece of shit. If you shoot through a closed door, you don't know for sure who is behind that door. It's like driving down the road at high speed with your eyes closed. 

There's no way Bobby should have let her get away with that. 

Just think if that had been young Bobby with Major Briggs. It would have been a very different situation. There's no way he would have stood for that. He'd have slapped those tears right off his face!

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 9:11 am
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What was Steven holding in his hand while hiding under the stairs!

Some blue, metal object. Was that just the room/app. room? 

(And even blue metal keys have a certain significance to me since Mulholland Drive)

 
Posted : 24/07/2017 11:28 am
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Posted by: Maurice Dumont

What was Steven holding in his hand while hiding under the stairs!

Some blue, metal object. Was that just the room/app. room? 

(And even blue metal keys have a certain significance to me since Mulholland Drive)

Completely missed that.......

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 5:00 am
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I rewatched it just now and I can't really tell what it is.

It's not credit card shaped, so not a keycard like that. I don't think those doors had anywhere to put a keycard anyway.

It almost looked like a flash drive, but too big, and too small to be a phone.

Maybe a keychain for his car keys?

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 6:05 am
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I picked up something else from the whole RR story line.  It seemed to me it was an indictment against the priorities of the parent figures.  

First, you see Shelly immediately walk away from the traumatic issues of her daughter, both physically and emotionally to feed her own personal desires (Red).  I remember thinking, well old selfish Shelly is still in there.  In addition to a woman attracted to bad boys.

Second, I did not see anything demonic about the kid outside.  I saw a boy acting much like his father with a form of neglect for their fellow man.  Mix with that a mother that placed a loaded weapon in the reach of her son with an obvious lack of concern to the state of the weapon or it's proximity to the boy.

Third, we see a mother (at least I assume that) more concerned with meeting up with the girls uncle than making the obvious connection that this kid was extremely sick and needs to see a doctor or at the very least should not be traveling.

Finally, we see the same mother along with other people in the immediate area honking (her more so than others granted) that seem to have little compassion or concern for a gun shot in their small town.  They all seemed to be more interested in getting where they were going.  Being a small town guy, I can tell you, that was not how people would respond.

 

 
Posted : 25/07/2017 3:26 pm
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