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Posted by: Sammy Weir

The only problem I have with the whole rape by bad Coop or her thinking it's Wheelers is the fact his last name is Horne. If she was raped in the coma just after season 2 ended she would have assumed she was pregnant by Wheeler and would surely have gave the child his last name.

What's the law on such things in the US?  Over here, the child can be given the mother's surname if she wants and the father's name is only taken with the father's consent.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:19 am
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There are a lot of inconsistencies and people seem to be only half awake,never completely absorbed in the reality of things. 

This is either part of the story itself or simply how lynch and frost want to portray the world. 

The inconsistencies again are either accidental, part of the bigger picture,or simply because frost and lynch don't care about the details 😀

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:27 am
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Maybe Lynch spent too much time with Frank Herbert.

Herbert was notorious for retconning his books to absorb inconsistencies he'd introduced in later stories.  Sometimes, even trivial stuff was changed.  My original, first run paperback US edition of Dune had Paul eating with chopsticks.  In later editions the sticks became a fork.

He never did explain how Scytale - described as a Face Dancer, one of the lower caste Tleilaxu - later became a Master, though.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:36 am
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Maybe Lynch spent too much time with Frank Herbert.

Herbert was notorious for retconning his books to absorb inconsistencies he'd introduced in later stories.  Sometimes, even trivial stuff was changed.  My original, first run paperback US edition of Dune had Paul eating with chopsticks.  In later editions the sticks became a fork.

He never did explain how Scytale - described as a Face Dancer, one of the lower caste Tleilaxu - later became a Master, though.

It's been a few years since I re read all the dune books (despite what anyone says, God Emperor of Dune is one of my all time favourite books). But I recall he was cloned. 

Don't get me started on his kid's abominations of literature though. Totally bastardising the work - the butlerian jihad was not an invasion of robots!

 

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:39 am
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Maybe Lynch spent too much time with Frank Herbert.

Herbert was notorious for retconning his books to absorb inconsistencies he'd introduced in later stories.  Sometimes, even trivial stuff was changed.  My original, first run paperback US edition of Dune had Paul eating with chopsticks.  In later editions the sticks became a fork.

He never did explain how Scytale - described as a Face Dancer, one of the lower caste Tleilaxu - later became a Master, though.

It's been a few years since I re read all the dune books (despite what anyone says, God Emperor of Dune is one of my all time favourite books). But I recall he was cloned. 

Don't get me started on his kid's abominations of literature though. Totally bastardising the work - the butlerian jihad was not an invasion of robots!

 

I don't recall Scytale being cloned but I do remember Duncan Idaho being cloned, repeatedly.

I agree with you about God Emperor; it's a vastly underrated book and far, far better than the atrocious stuff churned out by Herbert's son and Anderson.

Don't even get me started on the Butlerian Jihad, or the horrible, self serving cop out they dished up for the end of the entire series.  Robots, my ass!

Of the entire series, Messiah is my favourite because it shows just how quickly things can go completely tits up from what appears to be a great start.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:48 am
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Posted by: Sammy Weir

The only problem I have with the whole rape by bad Coop or her thinking it's Wheelers is the fact his last name is Horne. If she was raped in the coma just after season 2 ended she would have assumed she was pregnant by Wheeler and would surely have gave the child his last name.

What's the law on such things in the US?  Over here, the child can be given the mother's surname if she wants and the father's name is only taken with the father's consent.

More the Wheeler thing, if it happened just after the original show ended, doc Hayward said at the hospital was the last anyone saw of Coop, then she had just had sex with Wheeler who she was in love with and would have no problem giving him his last name.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:54 am
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Father's consent?  

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Posted : 22/07/2017 9:13 am
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Maybe, I just think people are jumping to big conclusions when we still don't actually know what Audrey is up to.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 10:45 am
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Do you need to have consent to use the father's surname?  I'm a bit vague on the details as I was too busy staring at a baby and thinking 'This seemed like a good idea at the time, but I'm waaaaaaay out of my depth...'

I know my other half had to come along to register the birth as we're not married, but if a couple are married, the father automatically gets put on the birth certificate.  It seemed to be up to us which surname we used - and I know some married folk who keep their own names - or hyphenate everybody.  So I'm not sure what the actual 'rules' are...

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Posted : 22/07/2017 10:46 am
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Father's name needs consent.  They were very specific about that when we registered our son.  We weren't married at the time, which may make a difference.  Can't remember how it went when our daughter was born and by then, we were married.

Edited to add:

Just realized, it's the naming of the father which needs the father's consent.  After all, the surname could be anything or anyone, not specifically one person.

Still, Audrey may have thought it best to keep the child in her family's name, for a variety of reasons.  It's not unusual.

Although what Tom Jones has to do with this is beyond me.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 10:51 am
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You also need consent from both parties to change the name back (or to a new name) in the event of separation

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Posted : 22/07/2017 11:21 am
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Posted by: Myn0k

You also need consent from both parties to change the name back (or to a new name) in the event of separation

Not always.  Usually, but not always.  Sister in law's been down this road.

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Posted : 22/07/2017 11:51 am
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Another thing worth bringing up which is probably slightly off topic. 

In The Secret History book, Norma Jennings' mother died in 1984. Yet in the series her mother waw alive and well. 

When pressed on the subject, Frost replied that "all will become apparent". 

This could suggest that there's a whole other thread of people and unresolved relations. Or it could suggest that they night introduce some conflicting things with the original series just to fry our noodles!

This show has a lot of inconsistencies. For example:

Then there is the fact that the little man was the evil "arm" of Mike the one armed man. He removed the arm because it was evil. But in the last episode of season 2, we see that the little man also has a doppelganger. So is his doppelcanger even more evil than him? 

Interesting, I never took it that Gerard's arm was evil to begin with. I took it that him lobbing it off was an act of volition, to mentally remove evil so that he could take a stand officially. Then, the arm grew its own consciousness. 

The consciousness - which derived from that act - started life as the man from another place, and then evolved - or transcended - into the next phase (tree thing). 

To me it suggested that acts alone have momentum, consciousness, in the twin peaks universe. I.e., strong acts of will have the ability to create separate awareness, as in the case of the arm. 

Then again, maybe that's just bollocks 😀

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Posted : 22/07/2017 12:09 pm
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I think a lot of the inconsistencies are because they had multiple writers on Seasons 1 and 2, then Lynch made FWWM without Frost, then frost made Secret History without Lynch. So they could just be ignoring anything that they didn't write themselves. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Lynch said he hadn't even read Secret History. 

In Secret History, Tamara Preston is a Special Agent, whereas in The Return she is referred to simply as an Agent. While this might seem like a minor detail, it could be important because it seems that Special Agents have more powers than mere Agents:

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-some-agents-in-the-U-S-called-Special-Agents-How-are-they-different-from-regular-agents-Is-it-just-a-name-or-is-there-something-really-special-about-them

For example, in Seasons 1 and 2, Albert Rosenfield was just an Agent, whereas Dale Cooper was a Special Agent. Similarly, Sam Stanley was an Agent whereas Chester Desmond was a Special Agent. In those situations, the Special Agent is in charge of the investigation and the Agent is there to assist. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the same in the X-Files? Special Agent Fox Mulder and Agent Dana Scully?

Sorry this has gone off topic from Richard, but the mention of inconsistencies just got me thinking. But I'll mention Richard in this context to link it all up. Richard is not an Agent or Special Agent. Richard is a twat (understatement of the millennium).

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Posted : 22/07/2017 2:24 pm
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Don't you come round here with your logical and reasonable explanations, it's all to do with why big Ed hasn't been seen or something 

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