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Posted by: SamXTherapy

Another thought, re the possibility of him being Audrey's child...

She may not be in a coma but sufficiently incapacitated to take care of children.  That leaves an extremely grim scenario of being pregnant by rape, severely disabled and having the child taken away from her.

I've also thought of the possibility of her waking up relatively fine, only to find out she was pregnan, which would be disturbing, causing her to give up the baby and run away.

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Posted : 20/07/2017 10:50 am
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I think Audrey is the most likely scenario but I like to keep my wits about me and consider other possibilities. I also like the Donna idea, although I think it's unlikely. 

 

 

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Posted : 20/07/2017 3:55 pm
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Other possibilities:

John Wheeler and Audrey's son. 

An adoptive arrangement. 

 

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Posted : 20/07/2017 4:08 pm
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Still feeling skeptical about this. Was the hospital so poorly staffed that bad Coop could walk into intensive care and rape someone? And Audrey must have been all hooked up. It makes no sense.

Never been to a British hospital, I guess?  Security, although improving, is often a joke.

Also, no matter what the security there, Bad Coop has ways of getting past most things and playing with electrical stuff, as we've seen.

I live in North Eastern US and yes, security is lax but this would still be hard to pull off. Hospital workers would at least know something had happened. Before Johnny had his accident, Sylvia yelled something like "who let him out". Johnny wasn't constrained like that before. Apparently something happened necessitating greater control over him. Makes me wonder.

But maybe you are right. The first thing bad coop did upon arrival was get his jollies, first in TP and then Philadelphia. 

I listened as closely as I could and it sounded to me like Sylvia actually said someones name that sounded like or rhymed with "Jerry" - like "<Jerry> who let him out?!"

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Posted : 20/07/2017 4:12 pm
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Richard kinda looks like Donna.

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Posted : 20/07/2017 6:06 pm
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Posted by: Bob Michaels
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Posted by: Jocelyn Rowe

Still feeling skeptical about this. Was the hospital so poorly staffed that bad Coop could walk into intensive care and rape someone? And Audrey must have been all hooked up. It makes no sense.

Never been to a British hospital, I guess?  Security, although improving, is often a joke.

Also, no matter what the security there, Bad Coop has ways of getting past most things and playing with electrical stuff, as we've seen.

I live in North Eastern US and yes, security is lax but this would still be hard to pull off. Hospital workers would at least know something had happened. Before Johnny had his accident, Sylvia yelled something like "who let him out". Johnny wasn't constrained like that before. Apparently something happened necessitating greater control over him. Makes me wonder.

But maybe you are right. The first thing bad coop did upon arrival was get his jollies, first in TP and then Philadelphia. 

I listened as closely as I could and it sounded to me like Sylvia actually said someones name that sounded like or rhymed with "Jerry" - like "<Jerry> who let him out?!"

I'm watching the show on HBO Nordic and the subtitles said "Mary". 

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Posted : 20/07/2017 7:34 pm
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Posted by: meaxylon

He most likely is Audrey's but I *really* don't like the idea of it. I can't see how she could raise such a monster, since she wanted to be a better person herself. I prefer to think he's either

1) Johnny's child (and Richard is ashamed of it and therefore resents his family). Unlikely scenario though.

2) Donna's child. When he got older he learned that he was a Horne and tries to benefit from it. Donna might be dead. He resents not being brought up as one of the rich Hornes. He calls Sylvia grandma though, so this scenaroi is also not likely unless he says that to taunt her. Sylvia calls Ben to have him send her money, she could do that if she considers Ben is responsible for this situation. Lynch said though, that Donna is not part of this story so probably not.

Considering how Lynch answered questions about her, I'm fairly sure they're gonna deal with Donna as if she never existed

Well, it also seems likely they won't bring up Donna's sister Harriet ( Gersten may be appearing in the show, if the actor is playing the same character again ) either, and as I've mentioned before, for example the original show never addressed the issue of Shelly's parents, as if they don't exist. Basically, it's 25 years later, and some people have moved on, some have died.

Fire Walk With Me

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Posted : 20/07/2017 8:50 pm
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This.

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Posted : 20/07/2017 11:55 pm
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Another thing worth bringing up which is probably slightly off topic. 

In The Secret History book, Norma Jennings' mother died in 1984. Yet in the series her mother waw alive and well. 

When pressed on the subject, Frost replied that "all will become apparent". 

This could suggest that there's a whole other thread of people and unresolved relations. Or it could suggest that they night introduce some conflicting things with the original series just to fry our noodles!

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Posted : 21/07/2017 1:13 am
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He has Jerry's coloring though.....maybe his and Audrey raised him to a point?  Remember the Hornes were not sqeeky clean to say the least.  

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Posted : 21/07/2017 3:21 am
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It could be Audrey AND Johnny's son. Incest does happen. Although Johnny is mentally "not all there", physically he is normal. It's possible there was a moment after Audrey had come back from the hospital when her and Johnny were alone in the house together and he overpowered her. Being mentally challenged, he probably wouldn't have understood that it was wrong to have sex with his wheelchair-bound sister. 

This could explain why Richard is the way he is. Not only is he a freak because he's the result of incest, Audrey may have abandoned him because the incest rape sickened her.

But on the other hand, the problem with any rape scenario, whether it was Johnny or Evil Cooper, is why would she keep the baby at all? I don't know what the situation was regarding abortions in Washington state in 1989, but surely that must have been an option?

Unless Evil Cooper really did do it while she was in a coma, in which case she might not even know it happened. Then once she realised she was pregnant, she might have assumed it was John Justice Wheeler's baby. 

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Posted : 21/07/2017 2:14 pm
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The only problem I have with the whole rape by bad Coop or her thinking it's Wheelers is the fact his last name is Horne. If she was raped in the coma just after season 2 ended she would have assumed she was pregnant by Wheeler and would surely have gave the child his last name.

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Posted : 21/07/2017 2:23 pm
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So last night I had a dream that Richard was Annie's child but she gave him away to joint a convent and Audrey adopted him. 

I must need a break from the forums 😀

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Posted : 22/07/2017 3:15 am
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Posted by: Myn0k

Another thing worth bringing up which is probably slightly off topic. 

In The Secret History book, Norma Jennings' mother died in 1984. Yet in the series her mother waw alive and well. 

When pressed on the subject, Frost replied that "all will become apparent". 

This could suggest that there's a whole other thread of people and unresolved relations. Or it could suggest that they night introduce some conflicting things with the original series just to fry our noodles!

This show has a lot of inconsistencies. For example:

In FWWM, Fat Trout Trailer Park was in a different town, Deer Meadow. And it's not even that Carl moved it to Twin Peaks in recent years. In Mark Frost's book, it says that Carl moved to Twin Peaks in the 80s and set up the trailer park there.

Another one that bugs me is the issue of what year it is. Seasons 1 and 2 were supposed to take place in 1989. But in FWWM, when Phillip Jeffries comes into the FBI office, he looks at the calendar and says it's 1989. Then Chester Desmond disappears and Cooper goes to investigate but finds nothing, then it says "1 Year Later" and we see Laura Palmer walking along. So, being 1 year later, that would have been 1990, even though Laura died in 1989. Then there's the dates in Mark Frost's book, which say 2016, which puts it at a different year to the season we are currently watching, which should be 2014 or 2015. 

Then we have Cooper's appearance. His hair remains perfect all the time. He didn't even wake up with a case of "bed hair" when we saw him in his pajamas. How come he didn't grow really long hair and a beard while in the lodge for 25 years? But even if we overlook the lodge as being outside of normal reality, how does someone who seems to find the most basic tasks a challenge somehow able to appear perfectly clean shaven every day?

I mean, for Dougie Cooper even urinating seems to be a new experience he finds challenging. So how has he managed to shower every day (never mind shave and put gel in his hair)? Janey-E wouldn't have helped him in the shower because she only just saw him with his shirt off. So why is she not complaining about his stinky armpits?

But there were also inconsistencies in Seasons 1 and 2. Like when Cooper is explaining to Truman and Lucy about his dream, he doesn't drescribe the dream we saw, he describes the events as they appeared in the extended European version, which those scenes were originally filmed for. Then in Season 2, when Albert tells Cooper that Windom Earle went insane, this seams to be news to Cooper. But later in Season 2, Cooper describes his history with Windom Earle as if he remembers Earle going insane as a result of his wife Caroline's death. 

Then there is the fact that the little man was the evil "arm" of Mike the one armed man. He removed the arm because it was evil. But in the last episode of season 2, we see that the little man also has a doppelganger. So is his doppelcanger even more evil than him?

Also, the Evil Cooper escapes the lodge with Bob inside him. Is he evil because Bob is inside him? Or is Bob inside him because he's evil? And with Bob inside him, does that make him even more evil than he otherwise would have been? And now that Bob has left Evil Cooper, is Evil Cooper no longer quite so evil without Bob's influence? Is he now just Naughty Cooper? And what if Bob gets inside Good Cooper? Will that make him just as evil as Evil Cooper is without Bob in him?

And Bobby Briggs looks absolutely nothing like his dad.

And when Richard runs over that little boy, nobody got their smartphones out and started filming? Come on, these days most people walk around with their phones constantly in their hands, yet somehow in that scene nobody had one availabe to point at him as he drove past? Is the centre of town still in 1989?

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Posted : 22/07/2017 6:58 am
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I guess there are some inconsistencies we'll have to accept.  Dates, for example, may be flexible due to the nature of what's happening with time in and out of the Lodges.  Not the best explanation, I know but it's all we got at the moment.

Coop did have bed hair, early on in the original show.  He wakes up to answer the phone and his hair is sticking up like a lightning conductor.

Maybe, having returned from the zones, Coop doesn't stink?  He's being helped along by the lodge creatures so maybe they gave him a good spray of deodorant before he left.  😉

The Arm and the other guys may have switched sides, realizing that Bob and his gang are really going to mess things up.  It's possible they were originally "Beyond good and evil", and their ideas of morality were very different from ours, but not necessarily evil as we understand it.  Now, having seen the damage Mr C and Bob are doing, they decide to side with the good guys.  For now.  In any case, the doppelganger arm may be, as you say, more evil, or at least, totally without restraint.  It does seem like "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" at times.

Bobby Briggs?  It happens.  There's a family nearby here with 6 kids, all of which look very much alike except one.  Sometimes, the genetic mix can come out different for each child.  To use me as an example, my heritage means that - potentially - my children could have had African features and skin colour, they could just as easily have had red hair and freckles.  On their mom's side, olive skin and dark hair, or pale and blonde.  As it is, they look very much like composites of both of us.  But - and it really is key to remember - it's not always the case.

Anyhow, Bobby could be the postman's kid.  I mean, dad was away on duty a lot, right?  😉

Yep, phones.  I thought the same but then this is a world where people still smoke, there are still old style jukeboxes, no McDonald's, in fact, there seems to be very little corporate globalization at all.  Anyhow, if Twin Peaks is anything like here, the phone coverage will be lousy, and definitely not up to smartphone speeds.

 

Coppula eam se non posit acceptera jocularum

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Posted : 22/07/2017 8:15 am
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