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Obviously people in FBI have been going through all the memory cards captured by the cameras in the penthouse in New York, why they havent found the image when good Copper floating inside?
Which means the girl was sent not only to distract the guard but also be there right on time when the memory card needed to be replaced? Hence good Cooper's escape will not be filmed or to be seen by Mr.C, to trigger some devices to trap him inside the box?
Who sent the girl to distract the guard?
I think there needs to be an observer in the room. The person isn't just someone to change out the SD cards, it's also to serve as a required observer. Otherwise, you could just hire someone to enter the room at intervals and switch cards, not sit there on a couch.
Maybe it also ran out of storage and wasn't replaced fast enough.
I agree with you.
The guard supposed to observe and if anything happens then probably required to push a botton or something.
But he was distracted, so the "Mother" got furious...
Pretty vicious to sacrifice a girl just to save Cooper :O !
I'm not sure he has to do anything other than be a pair of eyes staring at the box. When the Experiment/Mother appeared, I don't think he pressed anything, but his (and her) eyes did observe the Experiment/Mother.
I thought the Experiment/Mother reacted, because that's what its purpose was, to enter the box and destroy its trapped contents. Seeing no Cooper in there, but probably feeding off the fear of the couple, it instead phased / broke through box and tore their eyes / brains up instead. (As an aside, it seemed to have the same AC current issue which was confusing, or it was just vibrating as it phased into the box; it felt like it was sensing the environment and then detected their presence when it didn't find what it was looking for).
Also tangential, that's why I think it's Dale that was talking to Mr. C in the hotel room with the "I missed you in New York" line. If that's a future Dale talking to Mr. C, at that point he would've understood the set up, that is that Dale was supposed to appear in the box when the dopple Arm dropped him through spacetime/dimensions into the box and then the Experiment/Mother was going to tear him to shreds.
I'm not sure he has to do anything other than be a pair of eyes staring at the box. When the Experiment/Mother appeared, I don't think he pressed anything, but his (and her) eyes did observe the Experiment/Mother.
I thought the Experiment/Mother reacted, because that's what its purpose was, to enter the box and destroy its trapped contents. Seeing no Cooper in there, but probably feeding off the fear of the couple, it instead phased / broke through box and tore their eyes / brains up instead. (As an aside, it seemed to have the same AC current issue which was confusing, or it was just vibrating as it phased into the box; it felt like it was sensing the environment and then detected their presence when it didn't find what it was looking for).
Also tangential, that's why I think it's Dale that was talking to Mr. C in the hotel room with the "I missed you in New York" line. If that's a future Dale talking to Mr. C, at that point he would've understood the set up, that is that Dale was supposed to appear in the box when the dopple Arm dropped him through spacetime/dimensions into the box and then the Experiment/Mother was going to tear him to shreds.
I really like this idea about Coop (from the future) being the one talking with Mr. C. I also agree Sam didn't really do anything when the experiment appeared. But I think the mind behind the glass box (presumably the Doppelganger) needed more than just a pair of eyes and what and why are the biggest questions about the glass box thing for me. I think Sam and Tracey too served a purpose, otherwise I don't understand how a place constantly guarded, with a security key to access it, all of a sudden is left without any surveillance exactly at the time when Coop and the experiment appear (and completely abandoned after that)
I'm not sure he has to do anything other than be a pair of eyes staring at the box. When the Experiment/Mother appeared, I don't think he pressed anything, but his (and her) eyes did observe the Experiment/Mother.
I thought the Experiment/Mother reacted, because that's what its purpose was, to enter the box and destroy its trapped contents. Seeing no Cooper in there, but probably feeding off the fear of the couple, it instead phased / broke through box and tore their eyes / brains up instead. (As an aside, it seemed to have the same AC current issue which was confusing, or it was just vibrating as it phased into the box; it felt like it was sensing the environment and then detected their presence when it didn't find what it was looking for).
Also tangential, that's why I think it's Dale that was talking to Mr. C in the hotel room with the "I missed you in New York" line. If that's a future Dale talking to Mr. C, at that point he would've understood the set up, that is that Dale was supposed to appear in the box when the dopple Arm dropped him through spacetime/dimensions into the box and then the Experiment/Mother was going to tear him to shreds.
"Mother" figure might be too frightening to react to for any normal person while they are making out.
Buy it is my assumption without any support to assume that the young man would have pushed some bottons if something appears in the box.
Just having this question why good Copper's floating image in the box was not captured by those cameras? Thinking this might have something to do with the girl showing up aroud the same time two(or more) nights in a row to distract and to make sure there will be no image of good Cooper on the camera.
Pretty vicious to sacrifice a girl just to save Cooper :O !
The "Mother" figure probably was not expected to appear and to kill. She was just sent to distract the young man
I'm not sure he has to do anything other than be a pair of eyes staring at the box. When the Experiment/Mother appeared, I don't think he pressed anything, but his (and her) eyes did observe the Experiment/Mother.
I thought the Experiment/Mother reacted, because that's what its purpose was, to enter the box and destroy its trapped contents. Seeing no Cooper in there, but probably feeding off the fear of the couple, it instead phased / broke through box and tore their eyes / brains up instead. (As an aside, it seemed to have the same AC current issue which was confusing, or it was just vibrating as it phased into the box; it felt like it was sensing the environment and then detected their presence when it didn't find what it was looking for).
Also tangential, that's why I think it's Dale that was talking to Mr. C in the hotel room with the "I missed you in New York" line. If that's a future Dale talking to Mr. C, at that point he would've understood the set up, that is that Dale was supposed to appear in the box when the dopple Arm dropped him through spacetime/dimensions into the box and then the Experiment/Mother was going to tear him to shreds.
I really like this idea about Coop (from the future) being the one talking with Mr. C. I also agree Sam didn't really do anything when the experiment appeared. But I think the mind behind the glass box (presumably the Doppelganger) needed more than just a pair of eyes and what and why are the biggest questions about the glass box thing for me. I think Sam and Tracey too served a purpose, otherwise I don't understand how a place constantly guarded, with a security key to access it, all of a sudden is left without any surveillance exactly at the time when Coop and the experiment appear (and completely abandoned after that)
Yes, and you said it much more nicer.
Well, I think the box is like the one mentioned in the searchforthezone.com website, but it is meant to trap an other-dimensional being that is phasing into our dimension.
Conjectures. Mr. C in addition to all his other scheming, realizes that it is very important to prevent Dale from getting out of the Lodge alive (and presumably can't just re-enter to kill him, maybe too dangerous).
He's identified at least this one key place where Coop would some day appear (but not sure when, so it's constantly guarded). And he's searching for more, which is a big part of the Ray/Hasting's Secretary/Jack Rabbit's Palace plot lines.
Mr. C's also identified the light socket and entering Dougie, which is why there's a hit on Dougie, his car is rigged, and why Ike the Spike (who I think is the Arm in our dimension) is sent by Todd to take him out.
The only way to know for sure that Coop's been killed is to have it recorded, be there when it happens, or have a confirmed agent like Ike do it. But Mr. C's got better things to do like make millions off drug running, killing people in Columbia, etc).
So the box is guarded and observed and created for the sole purpose of disposing of Coop when he exits the lodge, a lot like Dougie is manufactured for a similar sole purpose (to be the focal point for Coop to enter into the world and then dispose of that focal point).
That's why I think the Mother is designed to destroy Coop. They were supposed to occupy that same space at the same time, but something saves the Coop that entered the box and frees him while no one was looking.
The role of the girl, not sure, but that's not a coincidence. Guard disappearing, her persistence, etc. She was sent I think.
"That's why I think the Mother is designed to destroy Coop. They were supposed to occupy that same space at the same time, but something saves the Coop that entered the box and frees him while no one was looking."
Didn't think of the same time plot here. I was thinking the glass box has its own function too, which is to trap and send good Cooper back to black lodge, but because it didn't happen, that's why the "mother" chased/came here.
"The role of the girl, not sure, but that's not a coincidence. Guard disappearing, her persistence, etc. She was sent I think."
Agree, can't wait to find out.
Well, I think the box is like the one mentioned in the searchforthezone.com website, but it is meant to trap an other-dimensional being that is phasing into our dimension.
Conjectures. Mr. C in addition to all his other scheming, realizes that it is very important to prevent Dale from getting out of the Lodge alive (and presumably can't just re-enter to kill him, maybe too dangerous).
He's identified at least this one key place where Coop would some day appear (but not sure when, so it's constantly guarded). And he's searching for more, which is a big part of the Ray/Hasting's Secretary/Jack Rabbit's Palace plot lines.
Mr. C's also identified the light socket and entering Dougie, which is why there's a hit on Dougie, his car is rigged, and why Ike the Spike (who I think is the Arm in our dimension) is sent by Todd to take him out.
The only way to know for sure that Coop's been killed is to have it recorded, be there when it happens, or have a confirmed agent like Ike do it. But Mr. C's got better things to do like make millions off drug running, killing people in Columbia, etc).
So the box is guarded and observed and created for the sole purpose of disposing of Coop when he exits the lodge, a lot like Dougie is manufactured for a similar sole purpose (to be the focal point for Coop to enter into the world and then dispose of that focal point).
That's why I think the Mother is designed to destroy Coop. They were supposed to occupy that same space at the same time, but something saves the Coop that entered the box and frees him while no one was looking.
The role of the girl, not sure, but that's not a coincidence. Guard disappearing, her persistence, etc. She was sent I think.
I've read only a few things on Hastings' blog, where is it exactly that the box is mentioned?
By the way I kinda agree with you on pretty much everything, although I do think the purpose of the box is not necessarily to kill Coop, but rather to temporarily trap him and then having him switch places with Dougie instead of with the Doppelganger, as if the box was some kind of pipe meant to collect things coming out of other dimensions and redirect them. My idea is, the Doppelganger thought process was: maybe he will die while trapped in another dimension; if he does get out in Vegas and takes the place of the guy I've manufactured I've got men already there to kill him (thinking it's Dougie).
But it's not the point here, what I was saying was someone had to be there, not only as a watcher, I think both Tracey and Sam were necessary and probably even their intercourse or attempt to have one. If not I don't get why they would leave the place unguarded.
Pretty vicious to sacrifice a girl just to save Cooper :O !
The "Mother" figure probably was not expected to appear and to kill. She was just sent to distract the young man
So the young man would not alert anyone to Cooper's appearence ? Seems unlikely but possible. The young man would've seen Cooper like he saw the mother.
Pretty vicious to sacrifice a girl just to save Cooper :O !
The "Mother" figure probably was not expected to appear and to kill. She was just sent to distract the young man
So the young man would not alert anyone to Cooper's appearence ? Seems unlikely but possible. The young man would've seen Cooper like he saw the mother.
I meant the "Mother" figure was not expected to broke the glass box appear outside the box and kill other people. I didn't write it clearly.
I agree that Sam the young man has more to do than just watching or replacing memory cards for cameras, but I dont know what was his exact job there. My assumption is he should do something (i.e. push a button or switch current or something) if a man appears inside the glass box.
Remember Tracey trying to see his passcode when he went back in. I have said it every time it comes up there are more than two groups at play here. I have a feeling she was trying to get info on what was in the room for someone else.
If the secret history is anything we have Gordon Cole left in charge of what was the Milford team exploring what was happening with these phenomena and what internal government agency was working with the greys.
Gordon lost four agents in the process, Chester Desmond, Dale Cooper, Phillip Jefferies, and Windham Earle.
I have a feeling there are two camps working outside of Gordon's remit the group associated with Phillip Jefferies and the group associated with Dopple Coop.
Is the interplay between Tracey and Sam the interplay between Dopple Coop's associates and Phillip Jefferies associates.
Chester Desmond is really the biggest question mark in this for me and I am wondering if that is the voice Dopple Coop heard asking to be with Bob again.
I do think there is a billionaire funding this research in New York and I am looking to see their influence elsewhere. Anyhow this all makes me want to look at the clues left by the Senator right before Cole finds out about the New York murders.
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